Why would God need a hell?

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Mickiel

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You know we just have to cancel out Christians when we read 1 Thess. 3:12, " And the Lord make you increase and abound in love one toward another, " AND toward ALL men", even as we do toward you." How are you going to claim that you love an unbeliever, and your pronouncing them into an eternity of hell? That's crazy! Only hate could do such a thing!

On but Christians want the world to think that they love everybody; they want a pearly white image because they think they are privledged.
 

Mickiel

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Most people I meet are goin' to hell. :rapture:

Well I am not surprised that you feel this way; I mean, after all, your a Christian, to you most people are worthless and meaningless to God.

This is why its so sad that the world has been suckered into listening to Christianity; you are a people who would condemn a world and think nothing bad of it. In my view, that is the most dangerous thing against humanity now; that they have been infected with Christianity. A people who would send this world to a hell.
 

Mickiel

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Most people I meet are goin' to hell. :rapture:

Most unbelievers don't need salvation from their past, they need salvation from Christians, because that is where their damnation is coming from. If we can get them away from Christians, we could place a positive image of salvation in them.

But its hard to escape Christianity because its an incredible locked in world wide mindset. So the condemnation is on a world wide scale, butchering and hammering unbelievers at an astonishing rate.

We just have to get them away from Christians.
 

Mickiel

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Why should God grant the Christian request and desire for a hell to exist; why should God give that to Christianity? Why should God hurt humans forever, just because his followers want to do that?
 

Mickiel

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That's why their belief seems so insincere, they believe more because they are afraid of a God who would eternally torture them if they didn't believe.



Well they are trying to be the " Baggage Handlers of Heaven", and they are trying to turn away everyone who has a lot of baggage. All those who are poor in spirit, or unbelievers. Unbelievers are just poor in spirit. The Christians totally ignore the teachings of Christ, or they pervert them. Such as Matt. 5:3, " Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs IS the Kingdom of Heaven." Here the poor in spirit are given the Kingdom of God.

Christianity does not like scriptures that give weak unbelieving humans the Kingdom, because they are " Kingdom mongers", they hoard the Kingdom to themselves. But they are " World Favorites", the world favors them, so they are getting away with perverting scripture and condemning people.
 

serpentdove

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You know we just have to cancel out Christians when we read 1 Thess. 3:12, " And the Lord make you increase and abound in love one toward another, " AND toward ALL men"...
"1 Thess 3:12 ...to all. In light of the fact that God loved the world and sent His son to die for human sin (John 3:16), believers who were loved when they were unlovely (Rom. 5:8) are to love unbelievers (see notes on Matt. 5:43, 44). Other NT commands concerning all men include pursuing peace (Rom. 12:18), doing good (Gal. 6:10), being patient (Phil. 4:5), praying (1 Tim. 2:1), showing consideration (Titus 3:2), and honoring (1 Pet. 2:17)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1846). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
 

way 2 go

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That's why their belief seems so insincere, they believe more because they are afraid of a God who would eternally torture them if they didn't believe.
:nono:

Good news
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

you love darkness so here is the
bad news
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
 

Mickiel

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"Most people I meet are goin' to hell" and the majority know
they are going to hell but don't care.



I feel sorry for Christianity; the best good news in the universe is God saving all, and Christianity is not even hip to it.

They don't have a clue.

All they see is most of humanity being a part of the failure of Christ to save them.
 

serpentdove

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Hell is what Christianity would do to the neighbors of humanity they did not like.

:yawn: They are POWs (2 Ti 2:26). We prefer men get saved.

"2 Ti:2:26 the snare of the devil. Deception is Satan’s trap. He is an inveterate, scheming, clever, and subtle purveyor of lies. See notes on Gen. 3:4–6; John 8:44; 2 Cor. 11:13–15; Rev. 12:9...

3:4, 5 not … die. Satan, emboldened by her openness to him, spoke this direct lie. This lie actually led her and Adam to spiritual death (separation from God). So, Satan is called a liar and murderer from the beginning (John 8:44). His lies always promise great benefits (as in v. 5). Eve experienced this result—she and Adam did know good and evil; but by personal corruption, they did not know as God knows in perfect holiness.

3:6 good … pleasant … desirable. She decided that Satan was telling the truth and she had misunderstood God, but she didn’t know what she was doing. It was not overt rebellion against God, but seduction and deception to make her believe her act was the right thing to do (cf. v. 13). The NT confirms that Eve was deceived (2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:14; Rev. 12:9). he ate. A direct transgression without deception (see note on 1 Tim. 2:13, 14).

3:7 opened … knew … sewed. The innocence noted in 2:25 had been replaced by guilt and shame (vv. 8–10), and from then on they had to rely on their conscience to distinguish between good and their newly acquired capacity to see and know evil...

8:44 your father the devil. Sonship is predicated on conduct. A son will manifest his father’s characteristics (cf. Eph. 5:1, 2). Since the Jews exhibited the patterns of Satan in their hostility toward Jesus and their failure to believe in Him as Messiah, their paternity was the exact opposite of their claims, i.e., they belonged to Satan. He was a murderer from the beginning. Jesus’ words refer to the fall when Satan tempted Adam and Eve and successfully killed their spiritual life (Gen. 2:17; 3:17–24; Rom. 5:12; Heb. 2:14). Some think that the reference may also refer to Cain’s murder of Abel (Gen. 4:1–9; 1 John 3:12)...

11:13–15 No longer speaking with veiled irony or defending himself, Paul bluntly and directly exposed the false apostles for what they were—emissaries of Satan. Not only was their claim to apostleship false, so also was their doctrine (see note on v. 4). As satanic purveyors of false teaching, they were under the curse of Gal. 1:8, 9. Paul’s forceful language may seem harsh, but it expressed the godly jealousy he felt for the Corinthians (see note on v. 2). Paul was unwilling to sacrifice truth for the sake of unity. Cf. 1 Tim. 4:12; 2 Pet. 2:1–17; Jude 8–13...

12:9 dragon was cast … to the earth. Satan and his demons were cast out of heaven at the time of their original rebellion, but still have access to it (cf. Job 1:6; 2:1). That access will then be denied, and they will be forever barred from heaven. Devil and Satan. Cf. 20:2. “Devil” comes from a Gr. verb meaning “to slander” or “to falsely accuse.” He is a malignant liar (John 8:44; 1 John 3:8). His accusations against believers (v. 10) are unsuccessful because of Christ our Advocate (1 John 2:1). Satan, meaning “adversary,” or “enemy,” appears especially in Job and the gospels. deceives the whole world. As he has throughout human history, Satan will deceive people during the Tribulation (cf. 13:14; 20:3; John 8:44). After his temporary release from the bottomless pit at the end of the Millennium, he will briefly resume his deceitful ways (20:8, 10)." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 2008). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
 
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