ECT WHY THE VAIL ??

dodge

dodge

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Lazy afternoon said:
Then you might as well say nothing and not be a seen as a foolish person.

It would mean you stand for nothing.

LA
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Not at all sharing what God has taught is what we share ! I was just saying condemning folks to eternal condemnation is God's place not ours.
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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Interplanner said:
Not at all. There is one Gospel. There is the matter of what happens when that gen of Israel responds to it, but there is no change about its essential doctrine. God was in Christ reconciling the world. He honored Christ by raising him to the throne David envisioned.

If you don't know NT history, then you might think there is another gospel there, when all they were doing was saying that certain things might happen to Israel in that generation that were needless misery.
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Made up.
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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Danoh said:
The key issue - spiritual status - changed post Acts 6, that is; in Acts 7.

The issue being that Unbelieving Israel had continued in the Uncircumcision of their hearts.

Which is where Paul himself was, spiritually, when the Lord first appeared to him.

That right there is that aspect of the gospel of Christ known as the gospel of the Uncircumcision.

And a careful, word for word comparison of Acts 9; with Gal. 1; and Acts 15, shows that Paul had thriving Gentile based assemblies before Acts 13.

And on and on...

It is the 28ers who read things into Acts that are not the case.

Consider that you have just asked me the very question the 28ers ask.

And yet, you take issue with my pointing out to you my observation that some of your views are obviously a hybrid of Acts 9 and Acts 28 views.

Obviously, you and I approach our study of these things somewhat differently.

1 Thess. 2, makes it clear that God had already temporarily turned from His plans and purpose with Israel in His wrath, many years before Acts 28.

That same persecution of Paul and his converts by Uncircumcision Israel is mentioned by him as early as Galatians.

It is clear to me why you and I have arrived at different views.

I had solved for all those things before I ever even heard of the Acts 28 position or anyone influenced by their views into a hybrid of them with Acts 9.

As a result, when I encountered said views of theirs, I was easily able to see their holes.

Some old fool set in his or her myopia will right off read their stupidity into that last statement.

I am merely stating that that is where I was by the time I encountered the 28er view, and later: the hybrid of it with Acts 9 it has resulted in, in some.

Those are my observations, bro.

I posted that guy, Shawn's link, because when I first ran accross his observations about the various passages (ran accross him for the first time about two months ago, or so), I found they are basically the same observations of the passages, that I had long ago basically come to the same conclusions about...as to your question to me here in this post.

I neither hate you for your different understanding, nor dislike you.

Make of this what you will.
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Tongues, sign gifts, to the Jew first, did any of that change?
 
dodge

dodge

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SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:

I can know from the scripture that there is no Olive Tree today, and therefore, LA is not graffed in.
You can know it, too.
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The analogy still holds true today according to Paul.


Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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dodge said:
The analogy still holds true today according to Paul.


Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
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Irrelevant, as there is no Olive Tree today which God recognizes as such.
 
dodge

dodge

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SaulToPaul said:
:chuckle:
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STP, Looks like Paul called you ignorant.


Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 
SaulToPaul 2

SaulToPaul 2

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dodge said:
STP, Looks like Paul called you ignorant.


Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?


Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I believe every word.
You don't understand.
 
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