Ah. Whatever. So no connection with reality.
By the way- did you know that so called "Native Americans" are not the Real True Americans? English Speaking Europeans are the Real True Americans.
Why Israel of the middle east is not Gods people.
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Ah. Whatever. So no connection with reality.
By the way- did you know that so called "Native Americans" are not the Real True Americans? English Speaking Europeans are the Real True Americans.
WUUUT?
Hey what are you? some sort of revisionist or something?
Using facts and data and science and stuff?
You aren't allowed to do that with history you know...
Jerry Shugart
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Epoisses
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You don't believe the new covenant promise that was fulfilled with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Jews and Gentiles. You try to say the Gentiles never received the Holy Spirit and the church which has partaken of the Lord's supper for the last 2000 years is wrong! The church isn't wrong, your false prophet John Darby is wrong. You're not even a Christian more like a Messianic Jew.
Yes,
Jerry can not deny that the believing gentiles are grafted into the same tree as are the believing Jews,
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
and all believers grafted into that tree are one nation under God called Israel of the Spirit the apple of Gods eye.--
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
There is no other place for the people who have faith in Christ--
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
According to your imagination.
For the past 2000 years, Jews have been against Christianity.
2000 years later, they are in your government, from the SCOTUS gavels to the seats in Legislation protecting anti-Christian agendas. They are in your media speaking against you having any power in this country.
Israel is a stockpile of Jews who do not differentiate the Muslims from Christians- when they speak against Muslims, they say GOYIM.
That's YOU, brother.
There is no work in progress, unless it is the Antichrist- who you all seemed to have forgotten about
According to your imagination.
For the past 2000 years, Jews have been against Christianity.
2000 years later, they are in your government, from the SCOTUS gavels to the seats in Legislation protecting anti-Christian agendas. They are in your media speaking against you having any power in this country.
Israel is a stockpile of Jews who do not differentiate the Muslims from Christians- when they speak against Muslims, they say GOYIM.
That's YOU, brother.
There is no work in progress, unless it is the Antichrist- who you all seemed to have forgotten about
Yes ,
Europe is going under the new world order and the forces on the border of Russia are to keep the people in Europe as they arm the moslems to destroy the churches of Europe.
Man that Obama was a traitor.
You watch Trump team up with Putin and strangle the new world order by keeping them from oil.
LA
beameup
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According to your imagination.
For the past 2000 years, Jews have been against Christianity.
2000 years later, they are in your government, from the SCOTUS gavels to the seats in Legislation protecting anti-Christian agendas. They are in your media speaking against you having any power in this country.
Israel is a stockpile of Jews who do not differentiate the Muslims from Christians- when they speak against Muslims, they say GOYIM.
That's YOU, brother.
There is no work in progress, unless it is the Antichrist- who you all seemed to have forgotten about
There's nothing "reformed" about subscribing to the Pagan Roman Constantine's "replacement theology" of the 4th century A.D. You are just regurgitating the biggest heresy ever perpetrated on Christianity.
In order to "swallow" that heresy, you have to "allegoricalize" a vast portion of the Old Testament and render it "symbolic", "metaphorical" or "figurative"... anything but LITERAL.
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Replacement theology was the fight between the unbelieving Jews and the Roman Catholics.
Now try and deal with the truth--
beameup
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None?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in [ie: @ Rapture] And so [then] all Israel shall be saved - Romans 11:25-26a
as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. - Romans 11:26b-32
No. We simply are not Christians.
This is simply not true. In Israel Jews speak of Christians and Muslims separately. And of Druze, for that matter. Christians are a persecuted minority in the Middle East. Israel is a good place for Christians to live.
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Re your above post, LazyAfternoon...
I have known MANY MADs - VERY FEW have held that the state of Israel over there now is of God.
But leave it to your ever willful "one size fits all."
The very "one size fits all" you just as obviously blindly approach the Scripture from :chuckle:
Your reading of Romans is completely off.
If you carefully break down its' sections for what it is that Paul is making use of as; he attempts to point some things out...
It becomes obvious that he is basically laying out for posterity - to his kinsmen according to the flesh: to fellow Israelites (as well as to Gentiles)...
Various examples from Israel's long history with God, wherein He had ALSO delayed His pending PHYSICAL wrath (for their disobedience) prior to His blessing them once more - where He had delayed both said pending wrath and blessing once more, that He might do one thing or another, FIRST....
Be it proving His Sovereignty; or bringing to pass, some other intent on His part, FIRST.
In this, Paul's "As He saith ALSO in Osee" is just one more example of those times in Israel's long history as to that, that Paul is basically reminding Israel of.
Read Hosea - His pending PHYSICAL wrath followed by His blessing - BOTH of which He ALSO saith unto them back then; He was delaying (back then); that He might do something else FIRST - which was what He did - back then as well.
EVERY SINGLE EXAMPLE Paul cites in Romans 9 points this out, in answer to the Israelite question Paul is dealing with...
Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
The Israelite depicted in Unbelief at the beginning of Romans 3, asks in Romans 9 - "Okay, so He is Sovereign - so what's the hold up now?"
He wants his unmerited cake, and he wants to eat it to.
Thus, the arrogance of many of them, even now; even on this forum, as to all this.
In this, Romans 9:26 is a confirmation, not so much of verse 25, but of assertions in verses 24 and prior, and so on.
Of God's right to change course, delay His plan and Purpose as to Israel for a time; do something else He had intended on doing, and after that, turn back to deal with His plan and purpose as to Israel...at last.
Notice...
Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
Notice now...
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Notice - this is during one more of Israel's many disobediences...
9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Instead of pouring out His wrath prior to their blessing, at last...
He has ONCE MORE turned from them - in His wrath - that He might do a work among the Gentiles (given the few Jews who obeyed this change/obey it, even now).
Instead of pouring out His PHYSICAL wrath for their having filled up their sins against Him as a nation, He once more merely turned from them in His wrath - for a season.
They, of course, continue to take issue with this finding fault of His.
Worse; they oppose Him on this - note what Paul observed some ten years or so earlier than when he later wrote Romans...
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Note the similarity of that with what the Lord had said (prior to the Spirit's, later, largely rejected offer of pardon in Early Acts - based on the Son's Crosswork).
Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
He'll Be Back - Israel!
But first Romans 11:25.
It is "in this manner" His delay is playing out.
Read 2 Peter 3 - he also brings up examples from Israel's past as to why their wrath and subsequent blessing at last, had been delayed once more.
He'll be back!
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
For "as it is written...out of Zion" that Magnificent "Lion of Judah" will one day "ROAR!" to save His people - the sons of Jacob in Isaac.
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So you believe Jesus teaches literal Jews will be saved without accept Jesus and ruled the earth?
No.
I did not write "Sons of Jacob."
Rather, "Sons of Jacon IN ISAAC."
As Isaac had been born - of the Spirit.
A reference to those physical sons of Jacob who upon their belief that Jesus was their Prophesied Christ, were right then and there, also made born of God by the Spirit, just as Isaac had been born of the Spirit.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Who were these of His own (sons of Jacob) who did receive Him?
What did they believe about Him that qualified them to then be called sons of God?
John identifies them...
1:40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
No.
NO Dispy believes that.
That is what OTHERS (including you) conclude the Dispy is supposedly saying.
GT is ignorantly claiming just that against Jerry right this minute; over in the ETC Forum.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-the-LORD-Gave-To-David&p=4934305#post4934305
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So you believe Spiritual Israelites?
