Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[alwight]

In conclusion, I earnestly believe that, ACW is very, "Sick in the head and soul!"

This may be a "Political thread" but, it has Spiritual ramifications! The two can't
be separated!

He does seem to unite just about everyone in opposition to him, a very unique "ability" imo. lain:

 

[Nazaroo]

...Why won't the unsaved be judged according to their sins? Simply
because, Christ died for ALL the sins of mankind, even ACWs
hated homosexuals! Revelation 20:12 states; "And I saw the
dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were
opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were
written in the books, according to their works.

So, you can see by this verse of Scripture that, no one will be
judged according to their sins (Christ paid the price for ALL sin)
however, they'll be judged by their works, and cast into the "Lake
of Fire!"

I'm sorry, but as a Christian who has studied their Bible for some 40 years,
I can't see at all your unusual claim.

From what you have written,
I must conclude that you distinguish 'sins' from 'works',
as if they were mutually exclusive categories.

I do believe there is a distinction in this sense:
That works can be either good or bad, and hence sinful or not,
i.e., some works are indeed sins, and other works are not sins.

This would not preclude the likelihood that even "good works"
are tainted by sin, such as self-interest, rationalization, false belief,
and wrong motivations.

The Bible does indeed declare that even the best efforts at good works
are still tainted and stained by our sinful natures and inadequacies.

That having been said,
the Bible, rather than distinguishing works from sins
as if they were mutually exclusive categories,
actually emphasizes that all works good and bad involve sin,
or are colored by sin, or our unrighteous nature.

Therefore when I read a verse in context, such as Revelation above,
I don't see at all your argument or thesis that men won't be judged
for their sins. They certainly will be.

Let us examine this even more deeply,
and let us do this with the appropriate text, namely Hebrews,
which is an advanced discussion for adult Christians who seek
deeper understanding regarding sin, sacrifice, and the work of Christ.

In this book, the author of Hebrews points out that
a new sin has been created, namely the rejection or scorn of
the Holy and special personal Sacrifice which Jesus the Christ made for us.
Here we are solemly warned about the seriousness of the specific sin
of rejecting Christ's New Covenant of Amnesty bought with His own suffering and death. (Hebrews 2:1-4)

We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2 For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3 how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (Hebrews 2:1-4) 4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. (Hebrews 6:4-6) 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. (Hebrews 9:25-28)

Note especially that in Hebrews 9:28, the Holy Scripture specifically says the sins of MANY,
not the sins of "ALL", or "ALL SINS" as the poster above has claimed.


As Hebrews examines the revelation of this new and unique event
of the Crucifixion of the Christ, and its awesome weight and significance,
it is plain that this sin dwarfs all other sins, and the suggestion of the text,
is that the punishment for rejection, scorn and mockery of this great gift
will also be far more severe than even the most severe punishment
found in the Law of Moses for previously known and defined sins.

That is, for instance, for a relatively simple and ordinary sin such as murder,
one can invoke the death penalty. This is not an eternal punishment,
although without a resurrection it might be called a permanent punishment.

But the author of Hebrews contrasts the ordinary but severe sins such as
murder, adultery, homosexual acts, rape etc, which all can earn the
most severe punishment listed under the Law of Moses, namely the Death Penalty,
with the potential penalty and judgement one could incur on oneself
by rejecting and making a mockery of the sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.

In this letter, the author of Hebrews clearly implies that rejection or
renunciation of this New Covenant of Amnesty and Sacrifice for previous sins,
will incur a much more severe and frightening penalty than death.

Thus we conclude, that the doctrine that the poster above claims, namely
'that sins and works are separate things, and that men will not be judged for their sins but their works', is a frivolous and fanciful doctrine not
based on a true and deep understanding of the teachings of Holy Scripture.

For instead we find a different doctrine, namely that men will indeed be judged,
on Judgement Day, and ALL the books recording works and sins will be opened,
and that men will be fully and thoroughly and fairly and mercifully judged
according to ALL that they have done.

It will not matter whether we call one action a 'sin' or another a 'work'.
We will certainly be judged according to all our actions and motives just the same.

It will not matter that we have or haven't committed many sins and crimes,
as many certainly will have done.

We have been guaranteed that we will finally be judged fairly and fully,
completely and righteously, by God and His Christ.
God Himself will punish evil-doers appropriately for their sins and crimes,
and God Himself will correct, compensate, heal, and fully UNDO
all the consequences of sins, including the injustices, the suffering, the errors,
the unfairnesses, the temporary 'escapes' from justice, and the temporary
defaults of debts, and failures to pay for crimes, debts, trespasses, etc.

The Just and Holy Living God will certainly right ALL wrongs,
and punish all those responsible to the degree that they are responsible,
and God Himself knows exactly the conditions of the hearts of all those
being judged.

And what Holy Scripture says, rather than supposing that men will escape
judgement for sin and crime on Judgement Day, is actually something
quite different:

That those especially guilty of this new crime, the knowing and conscious
and wilful REJECTION of the New Covenant, the Offer of Amnesty, and
who have scorned and have mocked the sacrifice of God's very Christ
and Messiah, and His personal suffering on behalf of sinful men in need
of rescue, redemption, forgiveness, and salvation,
THESE wilful evil-doers, will be found guilty of a crime so heinous
considered such an ABOMINATION to God and Christ,
that they will have earned for themselves a very special and unique
punishment SURPASSING ALL ordinary punishments for SIN and CRIME
as described under the Law of Moses and the Torah,
the maximum penalty found there of which is simply death.

There is no doctrine of 'escape' from punishment of sins by distinguishing them from works, as if they could be ignored.

Do not be decieved:
God is not mocked;
What a man sows he reaps.

IF a man sows sin, he reaps a penalty appropriate as laid out in the Law of God.

If a man commits a sin so heinous that it amounts to blasphemy against
the Holy Spirit of God, and that it amounts to rejection and mockery of
the New Covenant of Amnesty bought with the blood, suffering, and death
of Jesus the Christ and Messiah of God, that person will pay the penalty
appropriate for that special heinous sin:

The Lake of Fire.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe
In conclusion, I earnestly believe that, ACW is very, "Sick in the head and soul!"

This may be a "Political thread" but, it has Spiritual ramifications! The two can't
be separated!

He does seem to unite just about everyone in opposition to him, a very unique "ability" imo. lain:

Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that atheists, pagans and people of faith can unite around something Al?

Grossie is so very correct when he said that "This may be a Political thread but, it has Spiritual ramifications! The two can't be separated!"

I've mentioned just that numerous times throughout this 3 part thread and linked articles saying just that.

For instance, when a bunch of adult perverts indoctrinate innocent children into believing that a behavior that God adamantly speaks out against in Holy Scripture is 'normal', it will not only have spiritual ramifications on those adults:

Matthew 18:6

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.;

it will lead those children (who grow up with these secular views) that much further away from Christ.

When people like little Mattie Vines, the new leader of the 'Gay Christian' Movement redefines Scripture to meet his own selfish perverted desires:

and churches throughout our nation and western civilization start teaching adults and children alike that homosexuality is not a sin, it will have "spiritual ramifications" just like Grossie said.

So you see Al, even though Grossie Marowbe has no idea what this thread is about, every once in awhile he can say something of value.

 

[GFR7]

Yes, look how far they've (those who engage in homosexual behavior) come since the late 80's. Isn't it great that children are now contracting a deadly incurable sexually transmitted disease?

Setting aside the fact that homosexual behavior is nothing but a 'deathstyle', and that the child molesting agenda that is run by a bunch of thugs who would have fit in perfectly in the Third Reich is more than enough reason to recriminalize homosexuality, let's take a look at this new sodomy wonder drug that you and the sodomite movement seem to be going ga-ga over.

Without consulting Dark Radiance, who seems to be our resident expert on sodomy medication, let me give a shot at what I've learned about the new sodomy wonder drug (Truvada PrEP).

$13,000-$14,000 a year. Not to worry, sugar daddy (the American tax payer) will pick up the tab so that you boyz can still engage in your disgusting disease ridden behavior and hopefully remain HIV/AIDS free (did I mention that sodomy is financially costly? See the segment on the high cost of sodomy in Part 2).

If not taken daily, yes, if you miss a dose, it's ineffective.

Side effects? Possible kidney damage which would make healthy people resistant to PrEP.

The worst thing about this new drug is that it will give morally confused people the idea that they can engage in sexually deviant behavior without any consequences.

Sorry GFR7, but your sodomite movement has a long way to go before they can defeat God.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...-hiv-pill-will-give-a-false-sense-of-security

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/03/09/hiv-pill-for-prevention-debated-as-fda-ruling-nears/

I do not consider this pill a very good idea (gay advocates themselves are even wary of it, fearing it may encourage reckless promiscuity). Was just pointing out that some (like the HRC) believe it is a "miracle pill" and that it removes the stigma from gay male sex.

Yes, kidney problems ( although millions of Americans are on anti-depressants and bipolar drugs which have the same side effects , and worse). And the expense. And all the other ills......Such as what you already noted:

The pill must be taken regularly to be effective, and trials show patients can't follow through.

(from the USA Today link above)

 

[alwight]

Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that atheists, pagans and people of faith can unite around something Al?

I do admire the way that you can apparently brush off all the criticism aCW, constructive or not, and carry on regardless. I'd really hate to learn that that you were quietly sobbing inside or more loudly in your lonely padded basement?

Grossie is so very correct when he said that "This may be a Political thread but, it has Spiritual ramifications! The two can't be separated!"

I've mentioned just that numerous times throughout this 3 part thread and linked articles saying just that.

However your message does seem to be largely escaping through the net or at least partially falling on stony ground?

For instance, when a bunch of adult perverts indoctrinate innocent children into believing that a behavior that God adamantly speaks out against in Holy Scripture is 'normal', it will not only have spiritual ramifications on those adults:

Maybe they honestly think that vilifying homosexuals and calling them "perverts" isn't normal in a more enlightened age and see a need to redress the balance somewhat?

Matthew 18:6

But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.;

You probably think that there just aren't enough millstones around these days? :nono:

it will lead those children (who grow up with these secular views) that much further away from Christ.

I don't recall Jesus as ever specifically blaming homosexuals as you seem to do aCW. However I rather suspect there is something more personal and homophobic about your own particular interpretation of the gospels.

When people like little Mattie Vines, the new leader of the 'Gay Christian' Movement redefines Scripture to meet his own selfish perverted desires:

and churches throughout our nation and western civilization start teaching adults and children alike that homosexuality is not a sin, it will have "spiritual ramifications" just like Grossie said.

So you see Al, even though Grossie Marowbe has no idea what this thread is about, every once in awhile he can say something of value.

Maybe "little Mattie Vines" would like to hang a millstone around your neck aCW?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I do admire the way that you can apparently brush off all the criticism aCW, constructive or not, and carry on regardless. I'd really hate to learn that that you were quietly sobbing inside or more loudly in your lonely padded basement?


However your message does seem to be largely escaping through the net or at least partially falling on stony ground?


Maybe they honestly think that vilifying homosexuals and calling them "perverts" isn't normal in a more enlightened age and see a need to redress the balance somewhat?


You probably think that there just aren't enough millstones around these days? :nono:


I don't recall Jesus as ever specifically blaming homosexuals as you seem to do aCW. However I rather suspect there is something more personal and homophobic about your own particular interpretation of the gospels.


Maybe "little Mattie Vines" would like to hang a millstone around your neck aCW?

Good post!

 

[alwight]

Good post!

Thank you.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Doesn't it just make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that atheists, pagans and people of faith can unite around something Al?

I do admire the way that you can apparently brush off all the criticism aCW, constructive or not, and carry on regardless. I'd really hate to learn that that you were quietly sobbing inside or more loudly in your lonely padded basement?

Ya know Al, I think Grossie Marowbe is one of those Christians that atheists like you and Dan "the doorknob licker" Savage can be proud of. Granted, you and ole Danny boy HATE God with all of your might, but if you're going to put up with Christianity, you might as well put up with people like Grossie Marowbe who are not going to do a gosh darn thing to stop your evil agenda.

Do you think we should consider Grossie Marowbe a "NALT Christian" Al?

Not All Like That

 

[GFR7]

I cannot believe that GM - who spoke so well - is now the object of your wrath and the target of your smears, rather than yours truly!!! (are you going to do what you did to me and SammyT, and say, "GM, it's time for your AIDS cocktail!" :think: )

THAT WAS MY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE!

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I cannot believe that GM - who spoke so well - is now the object of your wrath and the target of your smears, rather than yours truly!!! (are you going to do what you did to me and SammyT, and say, "GM, it's time for your AIDS cocktail!" :think: )

I never once thought that Grossie Marowbe is a practicing sodomite muffin, he's just terribly naive about this topic. Perhaps you can lead him in the right direction by telling him how good it is that a HIV/AIDS (supposed) preventative pill has been discovered and how that will help lead more people to Christ?

 

[GFR7]

I never once thought that Grossie Marowbe is a practicing sodomite muffin, he's just terribly naive about this topic. Perhaps you can lead him in the right direction by telling him how good it is that a HIV/AIDS preventative pill has been discovered and how that will help lead more people to Christ?

And you shouldn't think that I am, either. :AMR1:

And no, I have nothing to recommend about Prep.

And GM is not a NALT Christian, either.
Nor is Al seeking such.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

And you shouldn't think that I am, either.

Using the words of author John Grisham who is an avid Hilary Clinton supporter and defender of child pornography:

"Whatever".

 

[GFR7]

Using the words author John Grisham who is an avid Hilary Clinton supporter and defender of child pornography:

"Whatever".

SO YOU ARE one! :BRAVO:

You used the special gay code!

(When one says they are not gay, and the other says, "Whatever", it is code for, "Well, I AM." )

Am so proud of your coming out, aCW. I could cry with pride. Have waited so long for this moment.
Am crying tears of joy and love for you, and am contacting Dan Savage to do a special on it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I'm just happy that you're in a better mood than you were last night cupcake, as you seemed a bit hostile when you wrote this post from another thread:

After what that pig a Culture Warrior just posted here , I don't care if 10,000 mayors officiate gay marriage. And yes, I care more for prison/culture reform than I do for protecting aCW from the gay boys he fears so much.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4085189&postcount=8

I don't fear you GFR7, as shown in the most important post in Part 3, I want to help you.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4064685&postcount=2473

 

[GFR7]

I'm just happy that you're in a better mood than you were last night cupcake, as you seemed a bit hostile when you wrote this post from another thread:


http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4085189&postcount=8

I don't fear you GFR7, as shown in the most important post in Part 3, I want to help you.

I did more than write that post. Then with the help of some offline/online posters, I realized your response about Christopher Lopez was just so sick, so heinous, so twisted, and so horrendously evil, it didn't need to be dwelt upon .... :think:

Well, you mean the same help you gave Christian Liberty, SammyT, alwight, and Arthur *not Rimbaud*? Ha, THAT kind of help we can all do without , Lamb-bones.

Do you know how many people PMed me in the past 3 1/2 months to tell me they swore you were a closeted gay? I used to think you weren't .....but your code word has me imagining differently now, Lamb Bones .....

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I cannot believe that GM - who spoke so well - is now the object of your wrath and the target of your smears, rather than yours truly!!! (are you going to do what you did to me and SammyT, and say, "GM, it's time for your AIDS cocktail!" :think: )

THAT WAS MY SPECIAL PRIVILEGE!

Good post

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I did more than write that post. Then with the help of some offline/online posters, I realized your response about Christopher Lopez was just so sick, so heinous, so twisted, and so horrendously evil, it didn't need to be dwelt upon .... :think:
Well, you mean the same help you gave Christian Liberty, SammyT, alwight, and Arthur *not Rimbaud*? Ha, THAT kind of help we can all do without , Lamb-bones.

Do you know how many people PMed me in the past 3 1/2 months to tell me they swore you were a closeted gay? I used to think you weren't .....but your code word has me imagining differently now, Lamb Bones .....

Since people like Grossie Marowbe aren't going to do a thing to help you (by voting in people that will legislate righteous laws to get sick people like you the help that you so desparately need), I'll at least ask that they pray for you.

I'm doing both, because I read in Scripture somewhere:

"Faith without works is dead".

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I did more than write that post. Then with the help of some offline/online posters, I realized your response about Christopher Lopez was just so sick, so heinous, so twisted, and so horrendously evil, it didn't need to be dwelt upon .... :think:

Well, you mean the same help you gave Christian Liberty, SammyT, alwight, and Arthur *not Rimbaud*? Ha, THAT kind of help we can all do without , Lamb-bones.

Do you know how many people PMed me in the past 3 1/2 months to tell me they swore you were a closeted gay? I used to think you weren't .....but your code word has me imagining differently now, Lamb Bones .....

ACWs rage against gays, has to come from somewhere within him?
Could be, he experienced something in his life, some form of trauma,
or experience that, created a hatred for gays? I've never in my life
seen such a "rabid" hatred of any particular group of individual's,
then, I've seen with ACW? There's a reason, only known to him?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Since people like Grossie Marowbe aren't going to do a thing to help you (by voting in people that will legislate righteous laws to get sick people like you the help that you so desparately need), I'll at least ask that they pray for you.

I'm doing both, because I read in Scripture somewhere:

"Faith without works is dead".

You're being "disingenuous" of course! I think you'd rather see
a homosexual die and go to hell, then have them hear the Gospel?
That's only my opinion but, I think it has some merit!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Your heart, soul and mind are "BLACK" ACW! Your heart is extremely
hardened.