NobodyAtAll
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Bask in your own ignorance. I believe in what God wrote, not how your cult interprets scripture to blind people from the truth.
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Why Evolution is real science - let's settle this "debate"!
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Right Divider
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If you want to discuss SCIENCE then go ahead.
Your OPINION about the science in meaningless.
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You won't last long here calling admins cultists.
Derf
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Au contraire. All you done is offered another viewpoint, but you haven’t shown why your viewpoint is correct. The more obvious is that it is talking about actual days, with an evening and a morning, since that’s what’s described in both the Exodus 20 passage (sabbath day) and the Gen 1 passage (evening and morning, the nth day). Sure, it’s possible to come up with another interpretation, but your whole reason for doing so is that you think you have extra-biblical evidence to show that the normal, or more obvious, interpretation is incorrect.
NobodyAtAll
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NobodyAtAll
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Well, I've been called a lot of names so far in this thread and no one has stuck up for my right to have an accepted recognized Christian opinion. If people can't make a point without name calling, their point is not worth reading.
I have been following the cults since I read my first Walter Martin book in the '80s. I've seen the vitriol of YEC against anyone who disagrees with them. A certain portion of the YEC are definitely cultists, imo. Not all, but those embracing pseudoscience denying the facts presented to them ... It's like conversing with flat-earths proponents. I am an OEC. If I'm not welcome here because of my OEC beliefs, it's better to know now than later. I AM NOT AN EVOLUTIONIST.
NobodyAtAll
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How do you know my reason for accepting an interpretation at odds with YEC? Must I accept YEC to be saved? Why are YEC so vicious?
Right Divider
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I've not called you names, but I am asking for actual science instead of your opinion about it.
Why are you afraid to discuss the actual science?
So what?
So what?
Again, I don't care what you opinion is... stick to the FACTS.
Fallacious argument. Guilt by FALSE association.
Yes, you've made that clear... but you've NOT explained WHY you believe that the earth is millions/billions of years old.
You made THIS claim:
Put it out here... show some of this "scientific evidence".
Your INSULTS to the ADMINS here is what is not welcome. Discussion of FACTS is what we want.
GOOD FOR YOU.
What a bunch of nonsense. This is nothing but "higher criticism" which is designed to increase doubt and spread misinformation about scripture. You're falling a victim of the rationalism that was a product of the French Revolution. Meaning, of course, that you've fallen under the influence of atheism. If I was you I'd quit bragging about your theological errors.
NobodyAtAll
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I've already provided the information you request in previous posts. I've been called a number of names, whether you did or not, I'm not going to waste time going through my posts.
The important science is the age of the earth and universe. I've already provided ample information via links.
All I've read by you is opinions.
Your opinion is not fact.
I've already provided multiple links on this subject.
I was returning what I perceived to be getting. It seems like every fact I've linked to is ignored. No one here wants to discuss facts. Check the posts, I wasn't the one who started the insults. I regret responding to them and will report every insult aimed at me from now on.
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Well ... I've not seen them. It would by nice if you could at least point to one or two.
Whatever.
Wrong.
Provide one or two here, so I can see what you're talking about.
I wasn't making the claim about long ages... YOU WERE.
I never claim that my opinions are facts. You are unwilling to give me a single fact regarding the CLAIM that YOU MADE!
Where?
Are your perceptions correct?
Give me a couple.
That is EXACTLY what I want to discuss... but you won't do it.
I'm not a post historian.
Perhaps you could just give a FEW examples of the "enough scientific evidence to prove the earth is orders of magnitude older than Young Earth Creationists would have you believe."
NobodyAtAll
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I suggest you look at Biblical Commentaries like Unger's Commentary Old Testament (2 Vols), Bible Knowledge Commentary (2 Vols), etc. Consider
(Jeremiah 4:23) I looked on the earth, and behold, it was without form and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light. [ESV]
NobodyAtAll
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The commentaries mentioned are my favorites, but by no means my only commentaries. I bought my Unger's about 40 years ago and is extremely hard to find. You can get the Bible Knowledge Commentary and Jamison-Faucett-Brown for e-Sword as well as many others fine commentaries.
I prefer the KJV, not Young's Translation. Young's Translation, however, is not the only translation to translate the word "replenish" as "fill" in the Genesis passage. The KJV also translated the same Hebrew word as "fill" in dozens of other verses. Why? Because that is what the Hebrew word means.
Archer did not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible as he should have. He was one of the original translators of the NASB, a corrupted version of the Bible. He took accepted beliefs that were wrong and spent years reconciling those erroneous beliefs with erroneous interpretations of scriptural passages in unwise efforts to make the errors justifiable.
Not at all. The people attempting to reconcile the Bible with erroneous human speculations about long ages are the ones who are deceived.
You claim God hints at another earth that no longer exists, that must have also had a beginning, making the word "the beginning" in the KJV an erroneous choice of wording. Did humans occupy that first earth? God says nothing about that. Did humans on the first earth fall into sin? God says nothing about that. In fact,m God says nothing about any existing earth anywhere but in just a handful of verses that can be misinterpreted to give the wrong impression that there was a pre-existing earth before the beginning.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
What are you trying to say, that the passage in Ecclesiastes is in error?
Here is what your unwise teacher says in your source:
If we assign 24-hour days to the days of creation, then the fossil record and astronomy does not match the Bible's account of creation. However, the Genesis account of creation matches perfectly with the scientific record of creation that we see in the fossil record, when understood within an old earth framework. The “days” of creation cannot be thought of in man’s time, but in God’s time. It is clear that God is breaking down the events of creation by events, not by time, since He is not bound by time.
The unwise teacher is clearly attempting to reconcile erroneous assumptions of old ages with the biblical account of creation. He make several noticeable errors. First, he assumes God measures time at creation differently than we measure our time. The Bible does not say that, he just wrongly assumes that.
Another error he makes is assuming the fossil record is evidence of long ages of gradual fossilization instead of rapid burial and preservation of living creatures and mud by a giant flood. He clearly does not understand the process of fossilization and does not understand what the fossil record truly teaches.
He assumes that the days of creation were actually long periods of time, not days as we know it. That mistaken assumption gives him no explanation for the fact that God created plant life one day but did not create the sun until the next day. True science cannot accept the idea that plant life existed on earth for millions of years before God created the sun.
And so forth.
The earth was without form and void, literally as well as figuratively, and there was no light in the heavens until God created lights in the heavens on the first 24-hour day of creation.