Why Don't the Liberals Want a Wall?
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
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Do you think we should make it a little more effort than just walking across where there's zero infrastructure?
Do you think our southern border deserves a non-zero level of infrastructure?
I think an entirely different course of action needs to be taken altogether.
Right now all I see are 'wall apologetics'- trying to support something that should've never been such a paramount concern in the first place.
First it was going to be this magical fortress wall, then it became something a little less, and now it's little more then a refurbish.
Why even worry about it at this point; the solution has always been to do something with Mexico in general not try to have lazy solutions perpetuated by fear.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok, what's your suggestion for how to secure the border?
Why, so you can tell me how nothing else can work?
Like I said: 'wall apolegetics'- save me that insufferable nonsense
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i don't think whining would be a very effective way to secure the border :idunno:
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
>Getting their country on a better track
>Diplomacy
>Cooperation
They are our neighbors. Why are you trying to shut them off or treat them like some enemy?
If you put half the effort into the West as you do out in the East, you might actually find yourself living up to the notion of 'America first'.
600 billion a year into a military and you can't deal with a country that matters the most in America's place in the world?
Then give me my money back.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
what does that mean, both in terms of hoped for outcomes and possible interventions that we might facilitate?
i believe we already have diplomatic relations with Mexico
did you have something else in mind?
in what way?
you do realize that they're our third largest trading partner, ahead of Japan, Germany, united kingdom...
so is canada
because their border is porous and around 300,000 people crossed it illegally last year
if the same thing was happening from canada, we'd want to tighten up that border too
first of all, Mexico doesn't matter "the most in America's place in the world" - it's a ridiculous statement to make
secondly, the effort we put into the "East" ( i assume you mean the middle east) is not the same kind of effort that would be welcomed in Mexico - wars, occupations, regime changes, etc
Tell trump, the Whiner in Chief
JPPT1974
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A lot is because they do not like Trump. And they are more for the immigrants. But what about the US troops. They fought and defended our country and world. They are the ones who need to be taken care of.
If the immigrants want to come into our country my advice, become a US citizen.
If the immigrants want to come into our country my advice, become a US citizen.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Mexico is our bordering country and the connection between us and an entire continent. It's very important to do more with it. It matters far more than anything across an ocean. If it's 'America first' than why are you trying to spend so much time with securing Israel or helping Europe?
Instead you just want to mess with all that and put up a border wall, which will not be very effective, hoping that immigrants will just stop coming in.
These are people in poverty- they're not going to stop unless you improve their conditions and get Mexico back on track. Once that happens, Mexico can help keep maintain migrants and populations.
It doesn't matter how impossible you want to try and make that seem, that's the only solution and simply obsessing over a border wall just makes America look insecure and scared.
Not really good PR for the supposed 'greatest country in the world'.
Supremum
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They're 91st in GDP per capita. Recently remittances from the US overtook the oil industry as their largest source of income.
Do you think the cartel phenomenon is something unique historically?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i'll come back to the rest of it, but wanted to respond to this now:
israel is strategically important and will remain so as long as we are a carbon fuel based global economy
europe, besides being our largest trading partner (depending on how you measure that), is/was an important buffer against the spread of communism and whatever else might come out of russia
israel is strategically important and will remain so as long as we are a carbon fuel based global economy
europe, besides being our largest trading partner (depending on how you measure that), is/was an important buffer against the spread of communism and whatever else might come out of russia
Not even close. Collectively, Europe comes in 4th after China, Canada, and Mexico.
http://fortune.com/2018/03/07/biggest-us-trade-partners/
I suppose if you measured it as Trump does, it could be. But we're talking about reality here. Or at least one of us is.
Under Obama, the border patrol turned back a record number of crossing attempts in areas with "zero infrastructure."
Turns out, you can do a lot if you don't obsess about a wall. Border Patrol has been doing it for years.
Might be good to ask them about it.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
your link says you're an idiot:
| Additionally, the European Union, if taken as a whole, would be the biggest U.S. trading partner – by far. |