Clete said:
I couldn't possibly care less about what you consider to be unwarrented! If you want not to be called a liar and a fool then stop lying and acting foolish. Until then I will call it as I see it and if you don't like it tuff, get over it. My comments are based on the demonstrable facts of your behavior (as I will demonstrate in this post). You, on the other hand, have just admitted that you are intentionally provoking and harassing me as "retribution".
I admit that I am trying to confront you, and in a form, that would be retribution. To my knowledge this forum allows one to defend their character against assaults such as the ones you've leveled on me. It's called lible, and if I get banned for such you should also.
Nearly every single thing you posted earlier in this thread is false and was designed specifically to provoke me.
You have not demonstrated anything of the sort. You see the whole idea of making accusations and not backing them up with any FACTS is what drove such things as the witch trials and the inquisition. You simply say I'm lying and thing they should ban me on the spot, no demonstration of guilt needed, just Clete's word.
Complete fabrication! Not one single syllable of this is true. You've made it all up! That's called lying MS! You are a liar!
Demonstrate such.
This is not only wrong, it is an outright lie! You don't even understand what Presuppositionalism is and yet are pretending that you do and are making statements in public as though you do. That's called lying MS! You are a liar!
Demonstrate such.
I do not hold anything that would remotely qualify as "strict Van Tillian views". Van Til made some brilliant presuppositionally based arguments for the Christian faith but he was as hard core a Calvinist as you could possibly be and I am an equally hard core open theist. Things you would have known had you done 10 minutes worth of real research into the topic I introduced in the other thread.
So you were quoting a hardcore calvinist to prove the open view? Interesting, what other things does Van Till advocate that you don't agree with?
One is not required to prove the self evident MS.
"She's a witch!"
"She turned me into a newt!"
Which evidence is clear? You presented evidence?
and the conclusion is sound.
Not "sound".
My challenge for people to prove me wrong belies your accusation that I am "ready to simply dismiss" anything.
No because right after you ask anyone to prove you wrong you say that any who try you'll label as intellecutaly dishonest.
Could someone else please verify that's what he said or am I just seeing things on my computer screen that aren't there?
Further, my system does not allow me to discard anything that might harm my position.
That's all you've attempted to do up to this point so that's all I've really seen of your system.
Again, you do not even understand what a presupposition is never mind what Presuppositionalism is and I don't even consider myself to be a presuppositionalist! I simply think that the system has a hand full of really excellent arguments and so I use them.
Getting better all the time. Now you think you can pick up entire "systems of apologetics" when you need them and drop them when you don't? What of inherent conflicts?
And so again, you pretend to know what you are talking about when you know you do not and that is a lying MS. You are a liar.
Well folowing such "logic" anyone here that talks about God, a being that we cannot really know with our finite brains, would be considered a liar also. I may not have read everything there is to know on every caveat of Christian Apologetics but I do not believe that makes me a liar since I openly admit that I do not know everything. You are the one that is making bold statements and dismissing any need to back them up. Is that because you can't? If you can't then you, by the very definition you just provided, are a liar. And I didn't even have to level the accusation myself.
This is simply nothing but a flat out lie! You have nothing which could possibly substantiate this stupid lie.
This coming from one that's refused to substantiate any of his bold accusations of lying???
You are a huge liar and I will never stop calling you one until you admit it is so and repent.
No, you'll be required to stop calling me such at some point in the future, regardless your desire to continue on.
Now, I gave you repeated chances to engage the actual argument that I brought up in the other thread and you openly refused to do so and so fine. I am not required to debate you or respond to you at all.
I did engage it. You claim I didn't but will not enuciate, in more than the broadest of terms and statements thar rest on the sheer fiat of Clete being the one to utter them, how I didn't, in fact most items I brought up you never even attempted to show them as not being relevant.
You can present all the idiotic arguments on unrelated topics you like and you will no doubt win the approval of other fools (including self proclaimed ones) but I have been posting on this site for a very long time and my posts have consistently been among the most substantive on the entire site (as attested too by others on the site) and I've been among the least likely to bail on a discussion no matter how many times I've had to repeat myself of reclarify a point and so I will happily allow my record to stand for itself. I have no need to prove myself to dishonest pagans like yourself and your little gang of buddies.
You have your right to your high view of yourself and your "righteousness" but I do not have to agree and to simply posit questions, to my knowledge, is not a crime here. Perhapse you can take up a petition to ban me, that's all my ego needs, being the victim of an online witch hunt.
When someone wants to substantively take on my challenge, I will welcome it and respond substantively,
The playing board is not level. Since you decide what is and isn't substantive you're untouchable in what you've "commited" yourself to doing.
but not with you (and now not with fool or Mr. 5020 either, not that either of them would have been capable to doing so anyway).
Excuse me but I'm starting to wonder how a man that claims to be so knowledgable and capable seems to be forgeting a few of the beattitudes.
If you admit your dishonesty both on this thread and on the other and repent of it, I am more than willing to forgive but until that happens, I am not required, nor am I willing to have any further discussions on any topic with you whatsoever.
Amen.
Now, that's it. Do not respond to this post, do not quote me, do not PM me, do not respond to me or engage me in any way. If you do so again, I will simply report your harassment to the moderator and let them deal with it.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Well get reporting and we'll see how your retribution will work.
