Who Are God's Elect People?

Robert Pate

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The words "predestinate" "predestinated" only appear in the New Testament 4 times. None of the 4 words are associated with anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The 4 words do not appear in the Old Testament at all.

We know that God chose the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. We also know that God chose patriarchs, prophets, apostles and most of all Jesus Christ. Whenever God chose some one it was for a purpose. We must conclude that there is no predestination without a purpose. The reason that God chose certain people was because God was bringing forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. This was God's program. Some of the people that God elected to be in the line from which Christ was to come through can be found in Matthew 1:1-17.

All of God's elected people in the Bible were instrumental in being part of the line from which Christ was to come. The emphasis in the Old Testament was not that they had been chosen. The emphasis was that they had faith and believed in God's promise of a savior. If you would like to know what some of these elected people did by faith, read Hebrews chapter 11. The word "Faith" appears in the 11th chapter of Hebrews 22 times. There is no boasting that they were the elected or chosen ones.

God was very protective over the line from which Christ was to come. I believe that was the reason for the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He was preserving the line from which Christ was to come. The law was also a keeper of the Jews until Christ should come. After Jesus arrived the law had served its purpose and was abolished.

The whole purpose of predestination and election of some certain individuals has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no purpose in anyone being elected today. The elect today are those that have come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him. Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Faith in what? Faith that you have been predestinated? I hardly think so. Saving faith is always faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus for your sins and your justification.

If you want to prove that you are one of God's chosen ones then your emphasis should be on Jesus Christ and his Gospel. The apostles did not try to impress people that they had been chosen. Their message was... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
 

Brother Ducky

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The words "predestinate" "predestinated" only appear in the New Testament 4 times. None of the 4 words are associated with anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The 4 words do not appear in the Old Testament at all.

The whole purpose of predestination and election of some certain individuals has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no purpose in anyone being elected today. The elect today are those that have come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him.

The actual use of a particular word or family of words has little to do with the truth of a proposition.
Think Acts 13:48. Those appointed [elect]believe. Simple, eh?

You are right, none being elected today. Done before the foundation of the world. And those so elected will come to Christ. And usually the ordinary means is the preaching of the Word.
 

beloved57

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The words "predestinate" "predestinated" only appear in the New Testament 4 times. None of the 4 words are associated with anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell. The 4 words do not appear in the Old Testament at all.

We know that God chose the nation of Israel and the Jewish people. We also know that God chose patriarchs, prophets, apostles and most of all Jesus Christ. Whenever God chose some one it was for a purpose. We must conclude that there is no predestination without a purpose. The reason that God chose certain people was because God was bringing forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. This was God's program. Some of the people that God elected to be in the line from which Christ was to come through can be found in Matthew 1:1-17.

All of God's elected people in the Bible were instrumental in being part of the line from which Christ was to come. The emphasis in the Old Testament was not that they had been chosen. The emphasis was that they had faith and believed in God's promise of a savior. If you would like to know what some of these elected people did by faith, read Hebrews chapter 11. The word "Faith" appears in the 11th chapter of Hebrews 22 times. There is no boasting that they were the elected or chosen ones.

God was very protective over the line from which Christ was to come. I believe that was the reason for the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He was preserving the line from which Christ was to come. The law was also a keeper of the Jews until Christ should come. After Jesus arrived the law had served its purpose and was abolished.

The whole purpose of predestination and election of some certain individuals has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. There is no purpose in anyone being elected today. The elect today are those that have come to Christ as repentant sinners to be saved by him. Paul said, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17. Faith in what? Faith that you have been predestinated? I hardly think so. Saving faith is always faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus for your sins and your justification.

If you want to prove that you are one of God's chosen ones then your emphasis should be on Jesus Christ and his Gospel. The apostles did not try to impress people that they had been chosen. Their message was... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does, therefore denying the Saving death of Christ.
 

Robert Pate

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The actual use of a particular word or family of words has little to do with the truth of a proposition.
Think Acts 13:48. Those appointed [elect]believe. Simple, eh?

You are right, none being elected today. Done before the foundation of the world. And those so elected will come to Christ. And usually the ordinary means is the preaching of the Word.


Then your God is a mean, unjust tyrant that cannot be trusted.
 

popsthebuilder

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B57 is a "CRAZED" Hyper-Calvinist. Even your average Calvinist dismisses his and Nanja's relevance.
It would be sooooo much better if you would give your own honest perspective as opposed to reiterating your opinion of another's opinion.

With all sincerity,

Peace

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Robert Pate

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I would argue that Romans 8:30 would speak against your oft made point here. Predestination is part of a series of events that leads to glorification [=heaven, more or less.]

You have misinterpreted Romans 8:30.

God by the Holy Spirit calls everyone to come to Christ, Some believe, some don't.

Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. All were predestinated to be saved by Christ. Those that were called and believed were justified and will be glorified.

This fits with other scriptures in the Bible. There is no conflict with other scriptures.
 

beloved57

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You have misinterpreted Romans 8:30.

God by the Holy Spirit calls everyone to come to Christ, Some believe, some don't.

Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. All were predestinated to be saved by Christ. Those that were called and believed were justified and will be glorified.

This fits with other scriptures in the Bible. There is no conflict with other scriptures.

Invalid comments not found in scripture!
 

Robert Pate

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Invalid comments not found in scripture!

How about this scripture?

"For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.

Now tell Jesus that is not valid.
 

ttruscott

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Brother Ducky:
... none being elected today. Done before the foundation of the world. And those so elected will come to Christ. And usually the ordinary means is the preaching of the Word.
Then your God is a mean, unjust tyrant that cannot be trusted.

Ahhh, Robert, you accept that we live or die by our free will decisions here on earth - so what is the problem with us living (becoming elect to heaven) in response to our using our free will to choose to accept YHWH's deity or dying (being passed over for election) in response to our using our free will to choose to eternally reject HIM as our GOD, before the foundation of the world?

You act as if election must refer only to an arbitrary eeny meeny decision but it cannot be like that as you know. So it had to be based upon our choice and so we had to be there to choose. Pretty simple.

The big advantage is that GOD did not create us sinners by making us human in Adam, [the verse is wrongly interpreted], we chose to be sinners and HE put us into Adam so that His one death could cover all the sinful elect.
 
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