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You have not proven me wrong.
Show where I said Jesus did not create everything. Show were Jesus did not come from heaven.
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You have not proven me wrong.
Show where I said Jesus did not create everything. Show were Jesus did not come from heaven.
You said "Jesus existed in heaven before the creation of anything".
I said, "There was no heaven before creation".
What do you not get about GOD being greater than anything, including heaven?
There was no heaven before GOD created the heavens and the earth so there was no heaven for Jesus to dwell in before creation.
If Jesus 'dwelt in' a so-called 'heaven' before He created anything else, then that so-called 'heaven' would have been greater than He and because GOD is greater than all things, in your logic that so-called 'heaven' would have been GOD because it would have been greater than Jesus, but in truth GOD/Jesus is greater than all things and therefore Jesus did not dwell in a so-called 'heaven' before the creation. According to the Bible, heaven is a created realm. GOD is uncreated. He is the Creator and is before all things, including heaven.
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What do you not get about that not being my argument?
You are the one who came on and tried to refute what I said.
I said everything was made through Jesus and that he came from heaven.
If you agreed with me you should say so.
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Prove that is was not heaven where Jesus was.
Prove it with scripture.
I see what you are doing.
Something you do not comprehend is that Jesus IS heaven.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
So... in your interpretation it would say, "In the beginning God created Jesus and the earth".
2Ch_6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!
What do you not get about GOD's immensity?
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We enter the kingdom of heaven when we receive the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
We enter Jesus when he saves us, and he enter us.
Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
We enter Jesus when he saves us, and he enter us.
KJV says heaven.
The Hebrew says plural, correct but does not prove me wrong.
Your changing the Biblical definition of 'heaven' to make it synonymous with 'Jesus' is made up. No where does scripture call Jesus 'heaven'.
Heaven and the heavens are created. The Word which is eternally GOD is uncreated.
lifeisgood
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What do you not get about that not being my argument?
gt is an expert in switching topics on the fly.
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So, Jesus is the Father is the Son is the Holy Spirit and now Jesus is also heaven. Got it.
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You don't got it.
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If you are not with Jesus you are not in heaven.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
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What are you trying to disprove?
That scripture proves what I said.
The saved sit IN HEAVENLY places IN CHRIST JESUS.
Why do you assume that it's always something that I'm trying to disprove?
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Why is QUOTING SCRIPTURE going against you, Gt?
He could show you a gazillion times where you went off track, and it would go over your head every time.
Right here in this post of yours: