But are nights included?
And then, before or after the daylight portion of the 24 hour day...
When does the biblical day begin?
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But are nights included?
And then, before or after the daylight portion of the 24 hour day...
hmmm...yes to cover all bases...but then why is evening to evening insisted? And as a majority view?
Keep trying...
There was light and only then evening as it diminished...night followed into morning...day now counted as complete
genuineoriginal
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No, the night is not part of the day.
This has nothing to do with "covering all bases". Our culture considers argument and original ideas to be a positive thing. Evening to evening is what we actually do in real life. It has been that way for a long time.
I thought we had got this back on a track without the nastiness. Perhaps I was wrong.
You'll have to explain what this is referring to
Ok but did the passover happen between the 13 and 14 or 14 and 15?
More to do with the last supper...
oh good...
Yes yes we covered that but why when scripture and some Jews say otherwise...outside of scripture too
nasty? Oh come now... just encouraging your attempts to cover all bases as is your culture...and see it any which way but the way it's written...
Well...see in the book of Genesis Light was created...called good...seperated from prior darkness and called DAY...and that previous darkness was only now called night...
so let's recap...
9 things happened that Day... 1.Yah said "let there be light"...2. And there was light 3. It was called good...4. Seperated from darkness 5. Called DAY...6. Darkness called Night...
Busy day don't ya think?
And then 7. there was an evening...itself another "creation"...and then FINALLY 8. The morning...again another "creation"...completing the day and only now is it 9. numbered as complete
Your evening to evening tradition would have creation be incomplete as that first day had no evening nor morning as there was no night before it...but only darkness
But as it is written there was just darkness and then Light and then the evening came...
genuineoriginal
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Leviticus 23:5-6 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. |
The feast of unleavened bread starts the morning after the Lord's passover.
The Lord's passover is towards the end of the fourteenth day of Abib.
Exodus 12:1-11 1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house: 4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: 6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. 7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. 8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire. 11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover. |
The lamb is kept until the 14th daylight period of the month and is killed at evening as the 14th day ends.
The Lord's passover lasts through the night and ends on the morning of the 15th daylight period of the month.
oh well? Naw...this is too big for that...
thanks you too...oh and happy sabbath!
...and feel free to ask around about this is Friday night Sabbath thingy would ya? I am sure jews would be happy to discuss this with you...or better yet...invite them to this thread...
I will try to find some too to discuss it with...
So you have the Wrath passing over at midnight between the 14th and 15th...
And the Last Supper the evening/night before passover the 14th? As in...He did not eat the passover?
genuineoriginal
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According to Mt 26:17-30; Mk 14:12-26; Luke 22:7-23 Jesus ate the passover at the Last Supper.
It often happens that a thread on this sites devolves into insults and name calling. That is a good point to just stop the discussion.
...happily this thread hasnt done that...
So did you find anyone to discuss this?
I didn’t get to...too busy trying to persuade Christians to be more jewish lol...and not celebrate Christmas...
You probably did not discuss this text as it is in the New Testament...
Matt. 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre."
See in the end would mean end not the evening 10 hours before or so...as it began to dawn towards the first day note its not...as it began to dawn on the first day of the week...
genuineoriginal
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John seems to follow a different timeline than the synoptic gospels
No, He ate the meal after the lambs were killed on the 14th.
Ok...working it out...but seeing as the words "day" and "feast of" are added to the original which reads closer to "at the first of the unleavened"...so we have some room to work with there in Matt 26...
John is the "spiritual" gospel and thus holds the most weight for me...he does not have Him eating the passover meal...
And how could He eat the meal at all as He was on the cross and dying as the lambs were being killed on the afternoon of the 14th...
And back in exodus then the meal was eaten after the lambs were killed on the 14th and the blood was put on the post...then midnight the wrath passed...
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genuineoriginal
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The synoptic gospels show Jesus eating the passover.
John is vague about whether the supper Jesus ate was the passover or not.
Do you have any reason to believe that John contradicts the synoptic gospels?
It doesn't help.
The old testament portion is accurate.
The new testament portion fails to take into account how the Babylonian exile and the Roman occupation of Israel have affected the language.
John has Judas getting up to go buy something for the feast...what shop would be open on passover?
I dont think John contradicts I think the people read too much into the other gospels...
The command for passover is to remain in the house until morning...after they finish eating they all go out singing into the garden that night...as per plan or else how would judas know to find them there?
And how is that?
Hey, it’s been awhile...
Matthew 28:1 reveals, “Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.”
Late on the sabbath day would have them coming to the tomb at sunset towards the coming darkness...(a dawning of darkness?)
But here Mark 16:1–2 depicts, “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen.”
Has them coming at the time the sun was rising...a more typical dawn and start of the first day of the week...all days actually
So if the day begins in the evening both these accounts are wrong...
And so when did He rise?
I mean, it is true, He was risen on Sunday but because He rose the day before...which ended at sunrise after the Sabbath was past...