I started a thread on the gospel of the kingdom. You are in fact a liar.
When did the gospel go to the Gentiles?
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That's funny, He did the same thing for us!
He laid it on our hearts to tell YOU the truth...
We're at least willing to listen, but you continue to refuse to even explain what you think is true.
You know, so that iron can sharpen iron...
But you aren't willing to listen. Every time we try to explain something, you immediately shut down and repeat your same "our beliefs are too different" schtick.
The job of the Holy Spirit is to convict people in their hearts, not to convince people.
No, He cannot.
That would be altering someone's will.
God isn't in the business of altering people's wills.
Right back atcha!
We pray that you would come to the knowledge of the truth, rather than continuing in your false beliefs!
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You might want to add a link to it here.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion. You know what they say about opinions. Everybody has one.
And you're welcome to your opinion too.
That's not opinion. It's fact.
That is also nothing more than your opinion. Have a joyful Sabbath.
You are, in fact, a coward. My opinion has nothing to do with it. You can deny it all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a coward who isn't willing to risk his beliefs being shown to be false, and who, in opposition to scripture, is not ready to give an answer for the hope that is within him.
The Sabbath has nothing to do with the Body of Christ. It is a term that has meaning only in the context of israel and her covenant with God.
Why can't you just say "Saturday" or "weekend" like a normal person?
Because the Sabbath is a very special day. It has a special blessing attached to it by God. I love Sabbath.
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Because he's SDA.
Its amazing how you think despising a fellow Christian is displaying the love of God. I guess love = hate.
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I just stated a fact.
You are hyper sensitive.
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Please explain how telling another member that you're a Seventh Day Adventist is "despising a fellow Christian".
Because my view of the gospel is radically different than the MADists.
Ephesians 4: 1 I THEREFORE, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
There is one body, one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of us all. I fully believe that He is the source of all justice. Therefore I reject the MADist point of view of different gospels and the injustice of God treating different people differently depending on when they lived and their nationality/race.
We are all humans, all of us have the same human nature. I grew up under injustice and I despise it. I hate it with my entire being as it caused me to deliberately destroy my life. I have the intellectual capacity to have done anything I wanted to do and I chose to do nothing with my life but destroy it with alcohol and drugs because I believed myself worthless. My entire family thought I was a worthless piece of junk and beat that into me for decades so why wouldn't I. It's only the love of God for me that changed me from hating myself to respecting myself and that didn't fully happen until just a few years ago.
It's another story of a miracle God has performed in my life. I'll post it in my miracles thread some day. Anyone with any humanity left in them can understand why I despise MADism.
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That's because you are very confused and illogical. You neither know what the Bible nor MAD teaches (which are actually one and the same).
This "one body" did NOT always exist. It was created as a NEW CREATURE when God called the apostle Paul. Paul is OUR (the bodies) pattern:
1Tim 1:16 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:16) Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
He is the source of many things.
Your "Therefore" is a NON SEQUITUR. Your conclusion does NOT FOLLOW from your premise. THEREFORE, it is illogical and confused.
Nothing like stating the obvious among the rest of your illogical talk.
You don't even understand that MAD teaches. It simply teaches the Bible as it is plainly written. You should learn about it, so that you would not be so foolish in your battle against your straw-man version of it.
That doesn't justify your mashing together of the scriptures.
YES... In the Body of Christ!
But this CANNOT be said of Israel!
Why? Because while there is one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father, there is not "one baptism" is Israel.... THERE ARE MANY! And on top of that, it's not the same "faith" of the Body of Christ.
As Paul said:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:16, Romans 1:17 - New King James Version
The Just Live by Faith - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
So do we!
You're trying to set up a straw man, that MADs have a God who is racist. It's not going to work, because that's not what we teach.
The Bible tells us that God works with different people in different ways at different times.
That's not unjust at all! Let alone racist...
Do you not interact with different people in different ways at different times?
Why can't God?
In the Garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve "you may eat of every tree and herb in the Garden."
Then they sinned, and God told Adam that he would have to toil at the ground to eat.
Then Cain killed his brother, and God prohibited the death penalty for Cain. This started a period where every man was essentially a law unto himself, and brought about whatever they thought was justice. The world became exceedingly wicked, as a result.
Later, immediately after Noah left the Ark after God destroyed humanity for being so wicked, God told Noah that "every moving thing that lives shall be food for you." Not just herbs and fruit, but animals too. The only exception is that He prohibited eating animals with their lifeblood still in them, because He will demand a reckoning for it, both from beasts and man, and He then made murder a crime again.
Then men tried to build the tower of Babel, so God confused their languages, so that they could no longer understand each other, and caused them to scatter across the globe.
Later, God brought Abram out of Haran, and started working with him directly, promising Abram that He would give his descendants the land of Canaan......
I haven't made it even a quarter of the way through Genesis, and already we see that God does indeed work with different people in different ways at different times.
THIS is dispensationalism. In fact, the above covers at least three different dispensational periods:
The Dispensation of Innocence - Adam and Eve, sinless in the Garden
The Dispensation of Conscience - man is left to his own devices and became wicked
The Dispensation of Human Government - after God destroyed man in the Flood, He established human government, to bring justice upon the wicked
The Dispensation of Promise - started with the Call of Abraham, lasted through the lives of the patriarchs, and ended with the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt, during which, God raised a nation for Himself, a nation He could call "His people."
The next three (seven total) deal with the rest of the Bible up until today:
The Dispensation of Law - God SPECIFICALLY dealt with Israel through the Mosaic Covenant, the Law. Within this dispensation, God prohibited His people (and not the rest of the world) from eating certain things. There are two Covenants in this dispensation, both made with the same two parties, God and Israel, the Old Covenant, and the New Covenant, BOTH being Law. This dispensation of law lasted until it was abruptly ended with God cutting off Israel for her rejection of her Messiah in Acts 7, the Stoning of Stephen being the last straw.
The Dispensation of Grace - this began with Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus. God is working with humans around the world not through a covenant of law, as He did with Israel, but through a "covenant" of Grace, as He did with Abram in Genesis 15. Once this dispensation is complete, God will go back to working directly with Israel again through the Dispensation of Law, and thus complete the prophecies in Daniel regarding the 70 weeks, and the events of Revelation will occur. And then we get to...
The Millenial Kingdom - God Himself will rule over humanity, with Jesus on David's throne in the New Jerusalem on Earth, for a thousand years. After which comes Judgement Day, followed by a new heaven and a new earth where all saints with live with God forever.
Dispensationalism has nothing to do with you ruining your life or coming back to God.
Your destroying your life is not a miracle, nor is your current stubbornness, nor is God working in a person's life a miracle.
AGAIN, you have somehow associated MAD with injustice. This is a straw man you have made to try to justify your hatred of it.
In other words, your despising of MAD is irrational, unable to be understood by anyone. You need to humble yourself and repent of your false accusations.
In this dispensation. And the law to Israel found in the 4 gospels is contrary to grace.
3 ‘If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, 4 then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
40 You shall therefore keep His statutes and His commandments which I command you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days in the land which the Lord your God is giving you for all time.”
“1Every commandment which I command you today you must be careful to observe, that you may live and multiply and go in and possess the land of which the Lord swore to your fathers.
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
Now compare to what Paul said.
2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
I know why you pretend. You do it so when people read the Bible they see the obvious contradiction (2 gospels for 2 different groups) and you told them there is no contradiction. You do it so they go to hell with you. Let you be accursed. Those are Paul's exact words.
I only post this for others, not for you. So they see the lies you put forth about scripture.
I'll just post this to all three of you.
Only MADists will think I'm lying about anything. I've seen that now for several years on this site. I've told you three repeatedly I don't believe the way you do and you treat Tambora the same way you treat me. You repeatedly call her a liar. To what point? So she will post less often? You don't convince anyone the truth of your belief system by insulting them. You say I'm hyper sensitive. It makes me chuckle as I am about as patient a person as you'll ever meet. How would you respond to someone repeatedly calling you a liar just because they believe differently than you do? Never mind. I've seen you hurl insults back at them for years. That I no longer respond with insults to you ought to tell you my beliefs cause me to be different than you are.
The big difference between us is that I eventually learn from my mistakes. You three never seem to as you are right in your own eyes, i.e. self righteous.
And you only started all this calling me a liar when I started consistently posting my beliefs. There wasn't a peep out as long as I was just as rude to socialists as you are. I was a popular poster here I let you know what I believe that differs with your beliefs.
Only MADists will think I'm lying about anything. I've seen that now for several years on this site. I've told you three repeatedly I don't believe the way you do and you treat Tambora the same way you treat me. You repeatedly call her a liar. To what point? So she will post less often? You don't convince anyone the truth of your belief system by insulting them. You say I'm hyper sensitive. It makes me chuckle as I am about as patient a person as you'll ever meet. How would you respond to someone repeatedly calling you a liar just because they believe differently than you do? Never mind. I've seen you hurl insults back at them for years. That I no longer respond with insults to you ought to tell you my beliefs cause me to be different than you are.
The big difference between us is that I eventually learn from my mistakes. You three never seem to as you are right in your own eyes, i.e. self righteous.
And you only started all this calling me a liar when I started consistently posting my beliefs. There wasn't a peep out as long as I was just as rude to socialists as you are. I was a popular poster here I let you know what I believe that differs with your beliefs.
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We only call you liars when you lie. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You have claimed, many times, that we call you a liar because you disagree with us.
That is a LIE and you REPEAT that LIE over and over again.
The Lord calls us to judge justly. Therefore, we call a lie a lie.
No.
You are so thin skinned. Perhaps you should stop being such a small child.
Because you are. I informed someone that you are a Seventh Day Adventist and you falsely claimed that I was being "hateful" and that I was "despising a fellow Christian". I simply passed on information that YOU had provided.
Sure you are.
If I was lying... I might have to stop.
All fully justified.
You are Mr. Righteousness. We do not deserve your glorious presence here on TOL.
Again, you lie. You should repent and start telling the truth.
Again, you lie. You should repent and start telling the truth.