I think he secretly fears that GOD's irrevocable promises to Israel are actually true.
His crusades against 2P2P are out of a desperation not to convince us, but....to convince himself.
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I think he secretly fears that GOD's irrevocable promises to Israel are actually true.
His crusades against 2P2P are out of a desperation not to convince us, but....to convince himself.
Lol - yep; IP is definitely a Baby Boomer.
So you're THAT old? No wonder. I'd like to discuss 2P2P, NHNE, Revelation and Genesis through Jude. And millenials
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2P2P? Great. it's a chapter in Ryrie one of those books Danoh has read but doesn't realize he has. He said 2P2P was the cornerstone of D'ism. (Isn't it odd that he wasn't trying to identify the cornerstone of the church or Christian mission; that he was actively pursuing something to support a bizarre, fantasy doctrine--something that would provide it with a cornerstone? what a guy!)
I take Paul's "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you:" as a reference Acts before Paul.
Paul goes in, meets with the same continuing resistence to his preaching that those all the way back to Israel's Prophets; the Lord; and the Twelve, had met with to their preaching to Israel, and reminds Israel why God concluded Israel spiritual uncircumcision to begin with.
They have continued where they were way back before both their Babylonian captivity and their scattering.
Oh, I am very well aware of what I have read or not.
For the fact of the matter is that I don't go by what I or anyone has read in books or not - my/their recurrent patterns tell me whether my/their ideas are my/their own (as are yours), another man's labor (as are yours) or those of Scripture (as are mine).
Have a Saltine; Polly :chuckle:
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And YET Ryrie believes that the distinction is made in ACTS 2! That hardly qualified him as a MID-Acts dispensationalist!
But he's still not nearly as confused at you.
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musterion
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The vast majority of Christendom always has.
:AMR:
I'm certain that Ryrie understands 2P2P to be economical and the Trinity being ontological.
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And why do I care what Ryrie thinks?
Many external sources have their good points, at times.
Even the heretic: Clement of Alexandria (a works salvationist) nevertheless did a great job of showing the Greeks had basically borrowed much ripped of the OT.
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A lot of what has been called antisemitism in the history of Christendom has not been race-based, as people today tend to narrowly think of it. And anyone who says "But they murdered Christ!" hasn't read or doesn't believe the Bible, so that alone does not explain it, either.
Christendom's historical trend of despising and hating Jews is the result of people believing "the church" has forever replaced Israel and that "Christians" have forever replaced Jews in the favor of God. Stam nailed them on that point when he said they're guilty of spiritual larceny.
Anyway, that's resulted in two things. One, it's given those who believe that they're "spiritual Israel" a [false] excuse to, at times, persecute Jews. But it's also given them a dreaded "what if?" fear in the back of their minds, because as history wore on it became increasingly clear that the Jews as a group were virtually indestructible. No one ever managed to be forever rid of them, and attempts to annihilate them have failed. Then it really hit the fan in 1948, however one may view that particular event.
Again, this is all within the context of Christendom. I think the second reason -- replacement theology -- explains much more of the historic hatred professing Christians have had (and still have) for Jews. We catch glimpses of it from time to time here on TOL, especially whenever the Z-word pops up.
Just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
Christendom's historical trend of despising and hating Jews is the result of people believing "the church" has forever replaced Israel and that "Christians" have forever replaced Jews in the favor of God. Stam nailed them on that point when he said they're guilty of spiritual larceny.
Anyway, that's resulted in two things. One, it's given those who believe that they're "spiritual Israel" a [false] excuse to, at times, persecute Jews. But it's also given them a dreaded "what if?" fear in the back of their minds, because as history wore on it became increasingly clear that the Jews as a group were virtually indestructible. No one ever managed to be forever rid of them, and attempts to annihilate them have failed. Then it really hit the fan in 1948, however one may view that particular event.
Again, this is all within the context of Christendom. I think the second reason -- replacement theology -- explains much more of the historic hatred professing Christians have had (and still have) for Jews. We catch glimpses of it from time to time here on TOL, especially whenever the Z-word pops up.
Just my opinion, feel free to disagree.
As much as I would like to disagree with you on the above that you and I might abide by our frequent pattern :chuckle:
I find I can't this time; bro.
Spot on post :thumb:
I appreciate that but it's funny...I don't go out of my way WANTING to disagree with you. Odd, that.
Meh, whatever.
So since we agree on the basic premise, how would you tie it to preterism (or would you)?
The roots of Preterism are the RCC and the so called ECF.
What's their history spell out?
R-A-B-I-D...A-N-T-I-S-E-M-E-T-I-S-M...
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The people who believed the historic Gospel of Christ fulfilling all the promises to the fathers sure liked their Jewish founders!
It is very sad that they 'heap up their sins' and did so in that 1st generation when they should have been launching the mission.
What was the church doing with police-enforcement powers? Hmmm, something screwy there!
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That the bottom half of the baby boomers. They are as old as 75