I have endured faithfully for this long, and with God's many gifts, I will prevail until my end.
What Would Be The Essential Components of Ensuring Eternal Life in Heaven.
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There are already several that haven't endured that were written of in the bible.
Ananias and Sapphira were the first two that we know of.
Yes.
And I am grateful to God for the gifts Peter didn't have to remain true to his profession.
Yes, but after his conversion I hope better for him.
Jesus said..."But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou (Peter) art converted, strengthen thy brethren." (Luke 22:32)
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I'm saved. I have no need to "display the results" of my faith. God knows my faith in Christ.
Your puffed up insults are sin. If you were saved, you would know it.
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I, I, I
Big issue. I believe the actual Text states that all to be required for one to receive Eternal Life which cannot be removed is to thoroughly believe Divine Jesus Christ sacrificed His human life, shed His Blood, and raised Himself to Life.
Commitment, confession of sins, loyalty, good deeds, knowing the Scripture, loving other people, avoiding further sin, and attending Church in no manner attains, keeps, or verifies Salvation. Rather, these things are rewarded to Christians in addition to the gift of Eternal Life.
Need? Display that faith by your deeds.
It wasn't meant to be an insult.
I am converted, and hope to remain faithful until the day of judgement.
It is written..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
It takes two to tango.
God laid down the ground rules, and we must follow them.
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You're very confused.
Salvation is not about "being converted".
The "house of God" that Peter was talking about was Israel.
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Confusion reigns with you.
I disagree.
All the saved will be converts.
I trow not, as in context it is written..."Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:16-17)
The "us" are those that have, and do obey, the gospel of God.
As we are the temple of God in this New Testament, I feel you may have missed Peter's intended audience.
Don't you obey the gospel of God?
(I sure hope your answer is "Yes".)
There is no confusion involved in serving God.
In fact, it is written..."But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." (2 Cor 11:3)
If a man is not serving God, who is he serving?
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You clearly do not understand the simplicity that is in Christ.
If a man is not serving God, who is he serving?
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Loaded questions don't get responses from me.
Welcome to my ignore list.
Are not most questions "loaded"?
Asked with certain answers in mind that will steer a conversation where we want it to go?
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I have observed a very interesting thing about all those who I have come across who say exactly what you said, here, Clete.
Do you even realize you do so hypocritically? I mean no offense at all, but most aren't even aware of their hypocrisy when they preach/teach against obeying the 10 Commandments while they themselves are obeying 9 of them every day.
Every half-decent professed Christian obeys NINE of the 10 Commandments, but is taught ad nauseum by churches and all mainstream churchianity NOT to obey the 10 Commandments.
On the contrary, the 10 Commandments were the only Commandments God spoke aloud on Mt. Sinai. They are the only Commandments that He Himself wrote in Stone. Jesus obeyed all of them and we are told in 1 John 2:6 to live our lives as Jesus lived His.
We are also told in 1 John 3:4 that the very definition of sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments.
Thus, we have a real conundrum here, don't we?
1. We have the vast majority of Christians obeying all but the 4th Commandment and expecting all others to do the same.
2. We have all those same Christians demanding that Christians NOT obey the 10 Commandments.
3. We have literally countless Scriptures that support the Biblical concept of obedience to the Commandments.
4. We have the Bible telling us to obey as Jesus obeyed. (All 10 Commandments)
5. We have the Bible telling us that the very definition of sin is the breaking of said Commandments.
6. We have verses from prior to the giving of the Commandments on Sinai - all the way into Revelation - that tell us to obey the Commandments.
It sure sounds to me like somebody has really dropped the ball in keeping mainstream Christendom on par with the actual teachings of Scripture.
Wouldn't you say?
(Ssshhhhh .... and I don't think that was any accident, either.)
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Ad nauseam!? I don't think so!
I have attended church my entire life. I used to watch "Christian" television on virtually a daily basis and have intentionally studied the various doctrines that differ from one Christian church to another. In short, in one way or another, I've been exposed to dozens of various flavors of Christianity and I have experience one single church, one single solitary congregation, that consistently teaches that we aught not obey the law and more specifically, that we do not need the Ten Commandments. Not even one of them, never mind nine.
On this much we agree. Jesus came to the People of the Law, He was born under the law, He obeyed the Law and taught others to do the same.
Which was quite true for Jews who were under the covenant of law. John was called while under the law and was saved under the law and he remained under the law until his natural death. "For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Rom. 11:29)
Got a mouse in your pocket?
I have no conundrum whatsoever, although I see yours very very clearly. It's effortless resolution is one of the most eloquently powerful arguments in favor of my doctrine that I think is possible for the mind of man to formulate.
False to the point of delusion. Besides me, who have you ever heard tell you not to obey the Ten Commandments? Practically every Christian I've ever met keeps a list of the Ten Commandments hanging on a wall somewhere in their own house, for crying out loud. The Ten Commandments are ubiquitous throughout Christianity.
I don't know about countless but I agree, it is a lot.
The bible is a big book, most of which was written to Israel.
Again, written to believing members of the nation of Israel.
Not all! There's one glaring exception. An exception, without which, you'd be a Messianic Jew.
It's laughable that you think mainstream Christianity teaches not to obey the Ten Commandments. I can't fathom where you got such a notion.
I would say that you've missed a major plot twist in the story of the New Testament.
I have no idea what that means.
Answer me a question.....
Why Paul?
Jesus had personally trained apostles already on the job. They had been given the great commission to go to the whole world by Jesus Himself and the Holy Spirit had been given to all twelve on Pentecost (a Jewish feast day, by the way) including the newly chosen Matthias. So where is the need for Paul?
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Where did @Old Hat go?
He started the most interesting doctrinal conversation I've seen in weeks and then disappeared!
I'm wondering if I scared him off with my posts in the last thread he responded to...