What was the appearance of the three [LORD,lords] who visited Abraham.

oatmeal

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Well, as I read other contextual clues given in the Bible about who Jesus was ... yes, I'm saying in this instance "ONE" refers to his being The ONE God. That was why I substituted God for the word one in that scripture.

As quick as possible:
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, AM the LORD; beside ME there is no Savior.

My paraphrase of the same verse to add the antecedents to certain pronouns according to my understanding and explain my conclusions.

I [Elohiym the ONE spiritual invisible God],
even I, [as God the Spirit] AM the LORD;
beside ME [who is both God the Spirit and the one who appears as the visible Father named The LORD God/YHWH] there is no Savior.

IOW ... God the Spirit is the visible LORD God ... and the Savior.
The Savior
is God spiritually and was seen in a visible bodily form as was the Father.

This speaks of how there is ONE God ... and HE is THEY. They are HE. That's at least three personages known by men as the God head - aka a trinity.
Jesus was correct when he said: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
I and the Father are ONE.
Isaiah 43:11 is the truth.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

I is referring to God, not to His son or the many other saviors that the Bible refers to.

God is the ultimate and only source of salvation.

However, since salvation is one of the businesses of God, and God employs others to carry out His will, we have people, human beings that do the work of God in leading others by making available salvation to others.

We see that God appointed saviours to Israel for instance.

Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.


Before you retort with they saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Yes, they did, at God's direction. They are saviors nonetheless.

Peter told the multitude that asked Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Thus we have the ability to save ourselves according to Peter. Was Peter wrong?

Now, we ask, how do we save ourselves?

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Thus we save ourselves by receiving the word of God that teaches us how to be saved.

How do we save ourselves? What word of God do we need to receive and do to receive salvation?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Of course, Jesus Christ did his Father's business in providing the gift of salvation through Jesus' completed works including the giving of the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost.

Thus we see that although God alone is the sole source of salvation, God employs people to make know that access to salvation
 

Ps82

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Isaiah 43:11 is the truth.

I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

I is referring to God, not to His son or the many other saviors that the Bible refers to.

God is the ultimate and only source of salvation.
I agree that God is the ultimate source of salvation, but understanding who God is - is important.

Yes, I believe the pronoun "I" refers to the ONE God ... but the rest of the sentence explains who God is.

First, you and I know God is an invisible Spirit ... described in Genesis 1 as - Elohiym or Elohim

But in Is 43:11 God explains that he was / is also The LORD as we... "even I, am the Lord".


Question:
So who is The Lord?
Ans. Through my studies I've discovered that God really chose and created an image for himself. Genesis 1. He shared its likeness with the body of Adam.

The invisible God appeared with his image unto Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Jacob, and others as God Almighty, but he did not share his chosen name until the days of Moses. This is how Moses understood when to use God's chosen name for himself when he was seen within creation. His chosen name is The LORD God.

Question: So, who is the LORD?
Ans. He is God appearing within creation with a chosen image and a chosen name. They are the ONE God.

Now, Is 43:11 continues to say ... and beside me there is no Savior.
IOW, Without God the Spirit appearing with a visible presence as The LORD God there is no Savior.
This means Jesus was God doing a new thing. He became the Son of God and a son of man.


However, since salvation is one of the businesses of God, and God employs others to carry out His will, we have people, human beings that do the work of God in leading others by making available salvation to others.
Missionaries and individual Christians don't make salvation available ... God does that, but they do take part in sharing the good news.


We see that God appointed saviours to Israel for instance.

Nehemiah 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

These saviors saved the people from attacks from mankind. They did not could not save their souls. The Savior Jesus is the one who does that because only God is the source of eternal salvation. Jesus was that God as Emmanuel - God among men - just in flesh this time.

Before you retort with they saved them out of the hand of their enemies. Yes, they did, at God's direction. They are saviors nonetheless.

Too late I said it ... but think: In the United States there are many Presidents. I've even been one. The President of our Home Owners' Association. LOL. But then there is "The ONE President of the United States of America" at a time.

Peter told the multitude that asked Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Thus we have the ability to save ourselves according to Peter. Was Peter wrong?

Now, we ask, how do we save ourselves?

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

They didn't save themselves. They turned to the LORD and was baptized showing their submission to Christ as their Savior. Baptism is a public ceremony where people express their need for a Savior and how it is only him who raises them to eternal life.

Thus we save ourselves by receiving the word of God that teaches us how to be saved.

How do we save ourselves? What word of God do we need to receive and do to receive salvation?

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

I do believe that confessing our faith and believing in our hearts that Jesus finished his mission is the important thing. He came to die, arise and ascend unto the Father to make the WAY for us to be saved. He save ... we accept God's mercy and grace toward us.

Of course, Jesus Christ did his Father's business in providing the gift of salvation through Jesus' completed works including the giving of the gift of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost.
I agree with this addition. The LORD calls us ... and Jesus continues to allocate the Holy Spirit unto those who believes in him. It is all about him. Even the ability to believe comes from God.

Thus we see that although God alone is the sole source of salvation, God employs people to make know that access to salvation
But Jesus was not just a man. He was a miracle from God. He was God who came into the world as his own Son [as Emmanuel -God among us]. He came bearing the chosen and created image belonging to God. First God came as the individual we know as The LORD God who bore a super-natural image living in unapproachable LIGHT. God then came as God, the begotten Son, bearing the one and only image of God dimmed of glory due to the essence of flesh.

Watch what John the Baptist said about the identity of Jesus: KJV John 1:18
No man at any time hath seen God, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he [John the Baptist] hath declared him [God the Son.]

Jesus at that time was God the only begotten Son. No person had ever before seen God in mortal flesh until that era. Therefore, when Jesus said: "The Father and I are ONE ... he was referring to how He and the Father were God ... just appearing unto the eyes of man to do their works within creation.
 

oatmeal

Well-known member
I agree that God is the ultimate source of salvation, but understanding who God is - is important.

Yes, I believe the pronoun "I" refers to the ONE God ... but the rest of the sentence explains who God is.

First, you and I know God is an invisible Spirit ... described in Genesis 1 as - Elohiym or Elohim

But in Is 43:11 God explains that he was / is also The LORD as we... "even I, am the Lord".


Question:
So who is The Lord?
Ans. Through my studies I've discovered that God really chose and created an image for himself. Genesis 1. He shared its likeness with the body of Adam.

The invisible God appeared with his image unto Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Jacob, and others as God Almighty, but he did not share his chosen name until the days of Moses. This is how Moses understood when to use God's chosen name for himself when he was seen within creation. His chosen name is The LORD God.

Question: So, who is the LORD?
Ans. He is God appearing within creation with a chosen image and a chosen name. They are the ONE God.

Now, Is 43:11 continues to say ... and beside me there is no Savior.
IOW, Without God the Spirit appearing with a visible presence as The LORD God there is no Savior.
This means Jesus was God doing a new thing. He became the Son of God and a son of man.



Missionaries and individual Christians don't make salvation available ... God does that, but they do take part in sharing the good news.




These saviors saved the people from attacks from mankind. They did not could not save their souls. The Savior Jesus is the one who does that because only God is the source of eternal salvation. Jesus was that God as Emmanuel - God among men - just in flesh this time.



Too late I said it ... but think: In the United States there are many Presidents. I've even been one. The President of our Home Owners' Association. LOL. But then there is "The ONE President of the United States of America" at a time.



They didn't save themselves. They turned to the LORD and was baptized showing their submission to Christ as their Savior. Baptism is a public ceremony where people express their need for a Savior and how it is only him who raises them to eternal life.



I do believe that confessing our faith and believing in our hearts that Jesus finished his mission is the important thing. He came to die, arise and ascend unto the Father to make the WAY for us to be saved. He save ... we accept God's mercy and grace toward us.


I agree with this addition. The LORD calls us ... and Jesus continues to allocate the Holy Spirit unto those who believes in him. It is all about him. Even the ability to believe comes from God.


But Jesus was not just a man. He was a miracle from God. He was God who came into the world as his own Son [as Emmanuel -God among us]. He came bearing the chosen and created image belonging to God. First God came as the individual we know as The LORD God who bore a super-natural image living in unapproachable LIGHT. God then came as God, the begotten Son, bearing the one and only image of God dimmed of glory due to the essence of flesh.

Watch what John the Baptist said about the identity of Jesus: KJV John 1:18
No man at any time hath seen God, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he [John the Baptist] hath declared him [God the Son.]

Jesus at that time was God the only begotten Son. No person had ever before seen God in mortal flesh until that era. Therefore, when Jesus said: "The Father and I are ONE ... he was referring to how He and the Father were God ... just appearing unto the eyes of man to do their works within creation.
The image of God is spirit. John 4:24 "God is a spirit" or more accurately, God is spirit. As spirit, He is not perceived by the five senses. Some of His works can be perceived by the five senses. Ie, the heavens and the earth, etc.

God is invisible to the physical eyes. No man has seen God at any time.

However, Jesus Christ, had seen God, ie, understood God, far beyond what previous men had understood.

The KJV of John1:18 reads as follows:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The word, the message, the logos became flesh, God did not become flesh

Logos means message. God is the message and He communicated himself by means of His creation, Romans 1:18-20. by communicating with the prophets of old (and anyone else that had or has the spirit from God, in our day and time, the gift of holy spirit), or by means of messenger spiritual beings, (angels) by the words God told them to tell others by revelation, by the written word (message), and by the word (message) in the flesh, namely, Jesus Christ

God is spirit, not flesh.
 

Ps82

Well-known member
The image of God is spirit. John 4:24 "God is a spirit" or more accurately, God is spirit. As spirit, He is not perceived by the five senses. Some of His works can be perceived by the five senses. Ie, the heavens and the earth, etc.

I understand things this way: Elohiym is Spirit and is invisible.

QUESTIONS:
Do you know the image of God was created?
Do you know that God's image was created before the world was?
Do you know that Jesus, being God, bore God's one created image when he came to Earth as the Son of God/son of man?

WATCH: I love to diagram sentences ... but I don't know how to show them on a post in their picture form, but here goes with explanations:

Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Who is a pronoun. We need to know the antecedent of the pronoun who and it is found within the context preceding this verse:
It is: [Jesus] Who is the image of the invisible God.
All believers understand that Jesus bore the image of the Father for Jesus explained: When you have seen me [with your eyes], you have seen the Father [with your eyes]. IOW, he looked like the Father except for a lesser glory due to mortal flesh.

Now WATCH: important revelation
What was the IMAGE? The identity of the image is spelled out for us.
The image is:
the firstborn of every creature. IOW God had created an image for himself before the world was. That was why God was able to share the likeness of his own image with the likeness of Adam's body.

We are even told that this one created image belonged to at least two other appearances of the one invisible God. God used it to be The Father and the Son. ... OUR IMAGE.


God is invisible to the physical eyes. No man has seen God at any time.

John 1:18 was so much fun to diagram.

I only had to show a few things through the diagram to make this KJV sentence so clear.

First I placed the adverbial prepositional phrase after the verb it modifies and then place the appositive for the noun God right after it :
No man hath seen at any time God/the Son.

[You see an appositive renames the noun; so no doubt that the Son Jesus is God or God is the Son!]
It is the Son who was already in the bosom of the Father at the time this was written. This is a miracle from God right there!]


All that is left is who was it that announce the identity of God the Son?
He [John the Baptist] hath declared HIM [God the Son]

TRUTH: It is plain that no man had ever seen God in flesh as his own Son. Many OT prophets and such had seen the Father as a male presence but his form was super-natural not fleshly.

TRUTH: Verse 18 does not say that no one had ever seen God.

However, Jesus Christ, had seen God, ie, understood God, far beyond what previous men had understood.

The KJV of John1:18 reads as follows:

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The word, the message, the logos became flesh, God did not become flesh
Wait! John 1 says that The WORD was with God and WAS GOD. Now, you just said The WORD, the Logos, BECAME FLESH. You have admitted that God became flesh. That is the TRUTH.

Logos means message.
When Jesus spoke audibly he was delivering the messages form out of God ... Jesus was God's audible speaking voice. Jesus said something like this: I only say and do what the Father wants me to.

God is the message and He communicated himself by means of His creation, Romans 1:18-20. by communicating with the prophets of old (and anyone else that had or has the spirit from God, in our day and time, the gift of holy spirit), or by means of messenger spiritual beings, (angels) by the words God told them to tell others by revelation, by the written word (message), and by the word (message) in the flesh, namely, Jesus Christ

God is spirit, not flesh.
God is spirit - eternal invisible ... but flesh was created.
God's first created image lived within unapproachable LIGHT - THAT LIGHT which John mentions in John 1. It was super-natural and could obviously appear dangerously or even safely unto men.

One example God had Moses hid in a cleft of a rock and covered him with his hand because HIS IMAGE was so dangerous. Moses only got to look upon the body of God as HE retreated away.

Another example was when 74 men of Israel saw God's body of Heaven safely and ate a meal in his presence.

God used his one and only image again to represent himself as the Savior ... in created flesh... as Jesus our Lord.
There is ONE invisible God who created ONE visible image and used it twice to reveal himself within creation unto mankind as two distinct individuals - the Father and the Son.
 
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