What was the appearance of the three [LORD,lords] who visited Abraham.

[Ps82]

Quickly, I believe the three were:
Super natural male beings who appeared in the likeness of humanity.
One was The LORD God who stayed behind to talk to Abraham.
The other two Lords were just as super-natural and there was a reason Abraham addressed all three in a similar way as lords/Lords/LORD.
All three were working in one accord to accomplish God's will.

First a question and statement: What is the difference in God and LORD.
My conclusions succinctly:
God / Elohim is an invisible Spirit.
God created a living visible form/image to represent himself within what he created. Adam's body was actually formed after the looks of that male image and likeness.
God gave His Image a name a Name. YHWH / LORD the LORD God

Now I can provide scripture for my thoughts if anyone wishes.

Moving on: From where do I get my ideas about how the three looked? Well, when I saw these next verses it opened my eyes to other things I had been contemplating.
Lamentations 4:6,7,8 They are verses talking about:
The punish to come upon Israel for their sins.
The destruction of S & G and the visage of the people after the destruction.
And the visage of the three super natural Lords who came to Abraham and dealt judgement upon S & G.

See what you think:

Lamentations 4: 6 [judgement of Israel] For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people [Israel] is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, which was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. [IOW - no further judgement followed; once and done]

7 a.) Her [Sodom's] Nazarites [3] were purer than snow [sinless],
b.) they [the three Nazarites / super natural Lords] were whiter than milk,
c.) they were more ruddy in body than rubies [If you have any red heads in your family then you know what that might mean]
d.) their polishing was of sapphire.
[Now, what is there about our bodies that is sort of shiny like a crystal - eyes perhaps?: I looked up colors for sapphires and they were not all blue, but the most prevalent examples were blue.]

My conclusions are:
The three sinless super-natural Lords-the Nazarites, who visited Abraham and went into Sodom, were white.
May have been red heads with skin that blushes easily
Likely had blue shiny eyes.
Through out scripture there are examples of this appearance in the lineage from Adam to Christ. King David was one. Esau was another.

AND did you notice how there was only ONE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION given for all three? They looked alike! Like triplets.

No wonder the Mob in Sodom knew to whose house they needed to go when they laid hands on The LORD God in the streets that night while he was accomplishing the plan to go down and judge!!! They knew because HE looked just like the two who were inside Lot's house. They had to be together that night! They wanted all three Nazarites!


Might this be close to the description of the appearance of God's ONE chosen image which is mentioned in Genesis 1; the ONE IMAGE officially named YHWH/The LORD, whenever he appeared to men of old in the form of a man?

 

[Ps82]

Opps. I forgot to cover verse 8. This verse is the one telling what the chard people of Sodom looked like after The LORD God brought judgement.

Lamentations 4:8 [My ideas inside [ ...]:
8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known [identifiable] in the streets: Their skin cleaveth to their [chard] bones; it [their flesh] is withered, it [their black chard flesh] is become like a [burnt] stick.

On the other hand the visage of the three sinless Nazarites who visited Abraham and brought judgement to Sodom were white, with a ruddy look about them having blue eyes.

 

[7djengo7]

Opps.

Goofing up at stating you goofed up. I love it! Reminds me a little of this Jerry Lewis movie I saw when I was a kid. In one part, he was carrying several items in his arms while crossing a street, and he dropped one of them. When he went back to pick it up off the ground, he dropped another in the process of doing so. Then, he picked up that second thing, and, while doing so, he dropped yet another thing, and so on...

 

[Ps82]

Guess reading a description of the appearance of the three perfect super-natural men who visited Abraham and then went into Sodom is not interesting to many. Oh well.

 

[Ps82]

Thanks ttruscott.

 

[Nick M]

God exists in 3 persons as told in scripture. He is described as an invisible spirit in several different ways. Yet, a person did appear before people. We know the Lord Jesus Christ represents the image of the invisible God. We know devout Jews will not write or say his name, so they substituted what he have in LORD. All other forms of Lord are not him when referring to a celestial being.

 

[Ps82]

God exists in 3 persons as told in scripture. He is described as an invisible spirit in several different ways. Yet, a person did appear before people. We know the Lord Jesus Christ represents the image of the invisible God. We know devout Jews will not write or say his name, so they substituted what he have in LORD. All other forms of Lord are not him when referring to a celestial being.

I agree with so much of what you have written ... but here are my tweaks: There is one God. He is invisible Spirit. He did form an image for his personal use mentioned in Genesis. This image was created to dwell inside LIGHT which made it visible to mankind. It was seen within the Burning Bush and within the Fiery Furnace. It was a super-natural image. This became the presence the ancestors of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob called The Father. God gave a name to his living super-natural image - best I can figure - YHWH, KJE The LORD. God told Moses he was the I AM and then right away Moses also recorded that God said - YHWH/LORD God - this is my name forever.

So far I've mentioned The ONE God has been identified as an individual Elohiym / Spirit and YHWH, the Father, the visible super-natural presence of God. God created ONE image to represent himself as the ONE and ONLY true living God ... and God then used that same image a second time when God appeared as the Savior. Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, AM the LORD and beside me [being God and LORD] there is no Savior.

IOW, Jesus was God seen in mortal flesh bearing the same one image which was created by the ONE God for his use within creation. Until the manifestation of Jesus no one had ever seen God in mortal flesh as the Savior. Even thought they had seen the same super-natural image belonging to God when He appeared as the Father.

John 1:18 No man at any time hath seen God, the begotten Son, .... he [John the Baptist] hath declared him [to be God as the promised Son].

The ONE God known as three individuals.
The THREE who are The ONE.

For me the THREE lords who appeared to Abraham are the ONE God in a trinity form. According to Genesis God created only ONE image to represent all of who he is, but he is not limited to using it once. Even though Moses only referred to one of the three as The LORD this does not rule out that the three were working together that day to accomplish a mission in Sodom and G. AND - they did! The LORD went down into town much later that evening and the mob captured him and took him to Lot's house. Now, why might they have known to go to Lot's house? I figure the THREE favored and people had seen the other two go home with Lot.

This is why only one description is given of three who appeared to Abraham that day. The bodies of the people of Sodom were burnt and blackened ... but the appearance of the bodies of the lords was ruddy and with colors of rubies and sapphires. Search pictures of red headed Jews ... I know I did.

 

[oatmeal]

Quickly, I believe the three were:
Super natural male beings who appeared in the likeness of humanity.
One was The LORD God who stayed behind to talk to Abraham.
The other two Lords were just as super-natural and there was a reason Abraham addressed all three in a similar way as lords/Lords/LORD.
All three were working in one accord to accomplish God's will.

First a question and statement: What is the difference in God and LORD.
My conclusions succinctly:
God / Elohim is an invisible Spirit.
God created a living visible form/image to represent himself within what he created. Adam's body was actually formed after the looks of that male image and likeness.
God gave His Image a name a Name. YHWH / LORD the LORD God

Now I can provide scripture for my thoughts if anyone wishes.

Moving on: From where do I get my ideas about how the three looked? Well, when I saw these next verses it opened my eyes to other things I had been contemplating.
Lamentations 4:6,7,8 They are verses talking about:
The punish to come upon Israel for their sins.
The destruction of S & G and the visage of the people after the destruction.
And the visage of the three super natural Lords who came to Abraham and dealt judgement upon S & G.

See what you think:

Lamentations 4: 6 [judgement of Israel] For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people [Israel] is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, which was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. [IOW - no further judgement followed; once and done]

7 a.) Her [Sodom's] Nazarites [3] were purer than snow [sinless],
b.) they [the three Nazarites / super natural Lords] were whiter than milk,
c.) they were more ruddy in body than rubies [If you have any red heads in your family then you know what that might mean]
d.) their polishing was of sapphire.
[Now, what is there about our bodies that is sort of shiny like a crystal - eyes perhaps?: I looked up colors for sapphires and they were not all blue, but the most prevalent examples were blue.]

My conclusions are:
The three sinless super-natural Lords-the Nazarites, who visited Abraham and went into Sodom, were white.
May have been red heads with skin that blushes easily
Likely had blue shiny eyes.
Through out scripture there are examples of this appearance in the lineage from Adam to Christ. King David was one. Esau was another.

AND did you notice how there was only ONE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION given for all three? They looked alike! Like triplets.

No wonder the Mob in Sodom knew to whose house they needed to go when they laid hands on The LORD God in the streets that night while he was accomplishing the plan to go down and judge!!! They knew because HE looked just like the two who were inside Lot's house. They had to be together that night! They wanted all three Nazarites!


Might this be close to the description of the appearance of God's ONE chosen image which is mentioned in Genesis 1; the ONE IMAGE officially named YHWH/The LORD, whenever he appeared to men of old in the form of a man?

Angels, ie, messengers from God to man

 

[Ps82]

Angels, ie, messengers from God to man

Wow ... I'm disagreeing with what you said I said. I have to tweak my own words. Must have been late. LOL. I believe the three were:
Super natural mele beings who appeared in the likeness of God's created and chosen image - which was like unto a male human presence. My reason is that God's image was not made in the likeness of a human image but rather Adam's visible presence was created after the LIKENESS of God's. Men look like God - not God looks like men. Well, confusing I know, but God's chosen presence came first! The fact that the three looked like men/Adam was because God created men to look like HIM. Afterall God was planning a family and kingdom filled with children that looked like HIM.

Regarding the three visiting Abraham ... that looked like men ... and one was called The LORD ... but really they were all called by KJV lords/Lords.
I think the one who stayed behind to talk to Abraham as God's spoken Word was singled out as The LORD ... after all he was the ONE who would complete the entire mission. I love this chapter about Abraham and the Lords who came. So much to learn from all the action.

Now What is an angel? For me they are spiritual being created with a super natural immortal bodies versus a natural mortal human body. This would also pertain to the image/bodily visible form God used to appear within creation and even to Abraham as three identical Lords. You and I can't do that as humans - even if there are identical triplets their bodies will have some type of difference. I believe these super-natural Lords were identical in every way. Even Lot fell to the ground and worshiped both of them. He would have been able to recognize them either from things Abraham had told him previously ... or perhaps he saw the image of the LORD one other time while with Abraham. ??? All I know is that on that day Lot knew them when he saw the two of them and worshiped them and they did not tell him to stop for they were not to be worshiped.

The LORD, who Abraham saw, would have been the invisible eternal God appearing with a visible immortal bodily form. IOW with a super-natural angelic type of body. It would look like that of a male presence for that was the form God chose for himself before the world was and certainly before he created male/female and gave them the likeness of HIS own one and only IMAGE. Even Bible experts say there is someone called The Angel of the LORD ... who they say is the presence of God not a regular created angel/messenger.

Hope this make my deductions easier to understand.

 

[oatmeal]

Wow ... I'm disagreeing with what you said I said. I have to tweak my own words. Must have been late. LOL. I believe the three were:
Super natural mele beings who appeared in the likeness of God's created and chosen image - which was like unto a male human presence. My reason is that God's image was not made in the likeness of a human image but rather Adam's visible presence was created after the LIKENESS of God's. Men look like God - not God looks like men. Well, confusing I know, but God's chosen presence came first! The fact that the three looked like men/Adam was because God created men to look like HIM. Afterall God was planning a family and kingdom filled with children that looked like HIM.

Regarding the three visiting Abraham ... that looked like men ... and one was called The LORD ... but really they were all called by KJV lords/Lords.
I think the one who stayed behind to talk to Abraham as God's spoken Word was singled out as The LORD ... after all he was the ONE who would complete the entire mission. I love this chapter about Abraham and the Lords who came. So much to learn from all the action.

Now What is an angel? For me they are spiritual being created with a super natural immortal bodies versus a natural mortal human body. This would also pertain to the image/bodily visible form God used to appear within creation and even to Abraham as three identical Lords. You and I can't do that as humans - even if there are identical triplets their bodies will have some type of difference. I believe these super-natural Lords were identical in every way. Even Lot fell to the ground and worshiped both of them. He would have been able to recognize them either from things Abraham had told him previously ... or perhaps he saw the image of the LORD one other time while with Abraham. ??? All I know is that on that day Lot knew them when he saw the two of them and worshiped them and they did not tell him to stop for they were not to be worshiped.

The LORD, who Abraham saw, would have been the invisible eternal God appearing with a visible immortal bodily form. IOW with a super-natural angelic type of body. It would look like that of a male presence for that was the form God chose for himself before the world was and certainly before he created male/female and gave them the likeness of HIS own one and only IMAGE. Even Bible experts say there is someone called The Angel of the LORD ... who they say is the presence of God not a regular created angel/messenger.

Hope this make my deductions easier to understand.

Well, I appreciate you sharing your opinion.

There are lords many and gods many.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Calling someone LORD is simply acknowledging their superiority and authority to act and command or demand.

Are angels superior to man? Yes, in some ways they are. However, we have Christ in us. Colossians 1:27, which angels do not. Jesus have power over the angels because the Jesus Christ was superior to them, being the son of God.

God is spirit and no man has seen God, literally with the physical eyes, at any time. So God sends angels in human form to communicate to men at times

 

[Ps82]

Well, I appreciate you sharing your opinion.

There are lords many and gods many.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Calling someone LORD is simply acknowledging their superiority and authority to act and command or demand.

Are angels superior to man? Yes, in some ways they are. However, we have Christ in us. Colossians 1:27, which angels do not. Jesus have power over the angels because the Jesus Christ was superior to them, being the son of God.

God is spirit and no man has seen God, literally with the physical eyes, at any time. So God sends angels in human form to communicate to men at times

PART ONE: QUOTE - There are lords many and gods many.

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

ANSWER:
Sure there are other gods, but there is only one true living God. That is the miracle of Christianity!

Other gods are not the true creator and savior. God the LORD and Savior is the one and only true God. [Isaiah 43:11] This is why other religions hate Christianity for it believes God is the only way to an eternal glorious spiritual after physical death sort of life.

I have my reasons for believing Christianity it true about who God is:

1. I believe this not just because I was raised to believe such - though I was.
2. It is not because I've studied my Bible - which I have.
3. It is because he has revealed things to me in dreams and visions which came true.
4. It is because he has audibly called my name twice.
5. It is because he has revealed things to me as I studied his WORD and sought to know him.

I understand why people have trouble believing me when I say such things. I guess these are just meant for me. I mention them occasionally and only a few people have been receptive and one that even helped me find answers to what a dream mean, by referring me to a book written by Bullinger, but I know they were real; so, I believe in The living God to whom I talk.

I am also wary, like many people, of Satan's capabilities. Might he be able to plant thought into people? . So, I am careful myself to check and see if things I'm experiencing agree with my Bible and such.

My God does not need dead images of stone, wood, and metal [IOWs idols] to represent him. He has his own living image. My God lives as a Spirit who has an image that lives - named LORD [KJE]. He told Moses: I AM that I AM ... and my name forever is the LORD God/YHWH/ - depends on language translations you know.

PART TWO: quote -
Calling someone LORD is simply acknowledging their superiority and authority to act and command or demand.

Are angels superior to man? Yes, in some ways they are. However, we have Christ in us. Colossians 1:27, which angels do not. Jesus have power over the angels because the Jesus Christ was superior to them, being the son of God.

God is spirit and no man has seen God, literally with the physical eyes, at any time. So God sends angels in human form to communicate to men at times

ANSWERS:
Sure the name YHWH/LORD/etc acknowledges that the living true God is superiority itself and has all authority over what he created. It was a name he chose for himself.
I find it interesting to notice when people read Exodus 3: 14-15 they dwell on vs 14 and sort of skim over vs 15. Read this and see what you think about God's name.

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

[To me this is saying ... tell them the God who lives ... that who is speaking to you. But HE doesn't stop with just that.]

15 [God continues explaining to Moses these truths about his identity] And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER.

See the truth?
God chose a special name for himself ... when he appeared unto men like the listed forefathers! The LORD God.
Before the days of Moses no one knew God's chosen name. I think these two verses may describe the first time Moses learned of it and was how Moses knew when to use it as he wrote the first 5 books of the OT.

How do I know that God taught Moses his chosen name instead of telling Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Read Exodus 6: 3 and 2 [yes in that order]

3 And I [God] appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not know to them.

[Now if you know the tradition about the name JEHOVAH used in the KJV, you know that the Jews... Israelites became afraid of using God's chosen name ... because they feared using it in a way that might anger him. Therefore, JEHOVAH/whatever became some way of talking about him safely. But verse two makes things clear for Moses.]

2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

The first time Moses ever saw God was in Exodus 3. Now, I do not know who was writing the recollection of this experience Moses had ... but I do know someone besides Moses wrote it by it being written in third person:

Verse one says: Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, ... etc.

Verse two explains: Moses saw the angel of the LORD image inside the fiery bush.

I also know that some time had passed before this burning bush even was recorded. Moses had already learned God's chosen name when he asked what name to use ... and he had shared that name with the Children of Israel and certainly with the one telling about this even; so, the FOREVER NAME was inserted within the record of verse 2.

Now, Moses did not know the chosen name when he saw the image of God in the bush ... but Moses did describe what/who he saw in the bush.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush...

Exodus 3:4-5 makes it clear for us that he saw the I am ... to be ultimately known unto Israel as the LORD.

The term LORD [KJE] is the proper name which the LORD God gave to himself, but the English aristocracy commandeered it to merely mean one who - "is simply acknowledging their superiority and authority to act and command or demand." as in Lords and Ladies and My Lordship.

Ask the Jews. They would come the closest to saying it and writing it; yet, even they have forgotten it exactly by now since they would use it or speak it. Just saying.

Now, I call him God, The LORD God ... even use YHWH at times ... but I do know about whom I'm talking. The ONE true living God who appears and has a living image.

PART THREE:
Are angels superior to man? Yes, in some ways they are. However, we have Christ in us. Colossians 1:27, which angels do not. Jesus have power over the angels because the Jesus Christ was superior to them, being the son of God.

God is spirit and no man has seen God, literally with the physical eyes, at any time. So God sends angels in human form to communicate to men at times

ANSWER: I would inject my words among yours to show how I see things ... but had a poster get angry at me about that ... so I'll try to be more polite.
Yes, there are sentient created beings who have a supernatural living body and are known to be immortal who exist. They are powerful and for 1/3 of them their leader now seems to be Satan, but they are not the eternal invisible God who is full of wisdom and knowledge, who also has a super-natural, eternal, living body [IOW angelic presence] that communicates with men and women.

 

[Ps82]

Angels, ie, messengers from God to man

Wait ... I don't disagree with what I wrote in a paragraph.

I wasn't saying the other two were just super-natural ... I was attempting to say they were JUST AS SUPER - NATURAL as was The LORD who stayed to talk with Abraham.

IOW, the three were The presence of the LORD God in triplicate. One and the same image ... representing the same God on a mission. I know that God can manifest his created image more than in one way for HE used it again to manifest the promised Son of God/son of man in flesh. That is why Jesus could say: When you have seen me [seen my body in front of you] you have seen the Father [as well]. He looked like the Father but with a lesser glory due to the essence of flesh.

These three Nazarites who were like triplets, were God on a mission as three individuals. They worked together in one accord regarding the completion of the mission but they each also had free will. The one doing the talking chose to stay behind and talk more to Abraham, while the other two went on down into Sodom and G. They arrived before dark and Lot invited them to be his guests and they chose to do that. Yet, there was still one more who would work on their mission. He was the one we consider the Lord when we read of the event.

He went into town and arrived after dark and stayed in the streets all night [their mission] judging the people of S and G. By acting like their judge HE made them so angry that they wanted to do him harm... but first they wanted the other two who went home with Lot. Now, there had to be a reason they knew they were somehow with HIM/THAT FELLOW who would be their judge.

HOW? They looked like him in some way. I say that Lamentations explains what the three had in common. They all had white skin, a ruddy look about them and shining sapphire blue eyes.

Off topic but interesting:
The people of S and G in an instance had blackened chard bodies where even their skin cleaved to their bones. A sudden death.

where poor Israel was warned that their fate would be worse than that. Lamentations 4:6
For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her [Sodom].

IOW, S and G deaths were instant while Israel's punishment would be on-going and coming from the hands of men.
Sad, but don't we still see this to this day. It just seems to never end for the children of Israel - Jews.

Have you ever asked why? My opinion: God has an everlasting covenant with Abraham's children through Isaac, Jacob and Judah that their descendants would be a witness to the world of who he was which led to Christ ...

And even so there were other promises which were part of that covenant... I think I remember - like promises of kings and wealth and such ... ??? Oh well not sure ... would have to look up again.

 

[Ps82]

Anyone reading my last two posts to oatmeal have you noticed how the free will of individuals comes into play even though God can have a mission for someone?

If you think as I do about the three super-natural Lords, then you see how even they exhibited free will when there was a mission to accomplish. Two understood they could go home with Lot - I think with God's permissive will - and one chose to take time to speak to Abraham. Yet, God ultimately accomplished his will through the third visitor , the LORD.

The way it might work among humans ... God has a purpose for a person - a mission - that person may choose to fulfill it or not ... but the mission will be accomplished through someone else. Mordechai explained this to Queen Esther when he explained her purpose. She chose to comply.

God knows the end to all things ... even if free will interferes with the choices of humans.