Sonnet
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Do you consider it justifiable to dislike Jews because of the reasons you have stated?
ECT What makes Preterism so impossible
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Do you consider it justifiable to dislike Jews because of the reasons you have stated?
Actually He DID know He was speaking far into the future and He told parables to the effect that they should not expect His return any time soon
After He was risen and taught them the kingdom they asked about the re-establishment of the kingdom and Jesus told them clearly that this was not for them, their job was to witness "to the ends of the earth"
.....that would not be done anytime soon
Also the apostles predicted the coming of false prophets after their demise
interplanner might have missed this one
scenes like that can't be swept under the rug
Nope.
Do you call Muslim's "God's chosen people"?
Do you call Buddhist's "God's chosen people"?
If not, why would you call Christ rejecting Jews "God's chosen people"?
No such parable says what you claim.
(Matt 10:23) Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
It was done before 70AD
Already happened.
Josepus tells about many false prophets that came before the Rebellion in 66AD.
(Gal 3:7) Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.
The Israel of God are those who have faith in Christ Jesus.
The "real" children of Abraham are those who have faith in Christ Jesus.
There are two kinds of people in the world A) Believer's in Christ B) non-believers.
The Jews are non-believers. Not only are they non-believers who reject Christ Jesus, they follow an evil book (The Talmud) which says Jesus was a bastard child who practiced sorcery and black magic, that Jesus was sexually immoral, and that His mother Mary was a whore.
The Talmud also says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Jews today are enemies of the gospel. They are no different than Muslim's, Buddhist's, Atheist's, Hindi's, or any other Christ rejecting people.
musterion
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Interplanner
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On the topic of a distant return, there is the 4 options of Mark 13. But that would be in the category of worldwide judgement, not 1st century Judea. Once again, Mt24A and B cannot be mixed, even if some exhortations about being ready read the same. It is total confusion if they are mixed. He is either speaking about 1st century Judea or about the worldwide coming in judgement.
Interplanner
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Mk 13's parable does allow for a distant return, but you must be aware that Paul never mentions this allowance. The coming in judgement is immediately after the catastrophe in Judea. I know of no place where he thinks the 2nd coming in judgement is distant.
(Matt 24:34) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Everything (all these things) before verse 34 did happen by 70AD.
Interplanner
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lol, no contradictions!
There were lower and middle classes who wanted him to be king (Jn 6--the objectors being the ruling class), and then wanted others proposed by the zealots to be king/messiah. He ministered in Galilee a lot which was not ruling class, because there were many forceful zealots there. The negative references to Galileans found in the gospel accounts is not because they are hicks but because the ruling class is concerned about their inflammatory nature.
On the question of Judaism,
God does not have two programs going and never really did. There is a reason why Gal 3:17 presumes what it does about Judaism. Since the 1900s Jews have wanted to be in their own land, but the question we are concerned with as Christian representatives is whether the letter to Hebrews is to be reversed. It is not.
on the question of ethne groups,
You must have missed the end of Rom 11, in which all 'dealings' with ethnes are canceled. God deals with all mankind, or not, through Christ. The previous is over; it is quite possibly a misconception any, says Gal 3:17. Promises are fulfilled, and binding over to sin, are both in relation to Christ, nothing else.
re contradictions
D'ism is one after another. Mt 24A and B cannot be mixed without contradiction. Matt 24A is about 1st century Judea. B is about the worldwide coming in judgement which is delayed (it could have been right away). The ethical exhortations of each section may be the same but not the locations or times.
Interplanner
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That's right, except for the one he could not say, that only the Father knows, at that point.
"not knowing the day or hour" is a reference to the Feast of Trumpets.
Christ Jesus' return was the fulfillment of the three fall feasts, beginning with the Feast of Trumpets.
If you study the seven feasts, the Feast of Trumpets is the only feast that begins on a new moon, all the other feasts occur during full moons.
The Sanhedrin would send out two witnesses to look for the new moon. When the two witnesses saw the new moon, they would come back, tell the Sanhedrin, and then the trumpets would blow to commence the feast.
Sometimes, it was two or three days before the two witnesses would see the new moon. Therefore, "no one knew the day or hour" when the feast would begin.
Interplanner
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Then you have to support 70AD as a worldwide day of judgement. Go ahead.
Was Luke 2:1 worldwide?
(Luke 2:1) And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
Did the Mayan's in Central America pay taxes to Caesar Augustus?
Sonnet
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'Jews are believers' is as valid as your statement that, 'the Jews are non-believers'.
Why are you focusing on the Jew's rejection of Christ when it's a fact that Gentiles do too?