ECT What is your view of MAD and MADists? (Strictly for people who are not mad)

[andyc]

Doesn't matter what Jesus KNEW. This was about the law. And the law had certain steps that had to be taken to condemn someone.

It was a trap. Can you not see this?
The Jews had no power to exercise judgement while under Roman occupation.
The motive was to get Jesus to contradict Moses in order to undermine his teaching.
Jesus didn't condemn the woman, which means that the law was superseded by a higher authority. The grace of God.

It's amazing to watch you mad nutcases fumbling around trying to wriggle out of this to salvage your precious cult.

 

[jamie]

You just said nope to believing and obeying God.

Believing and obeying God does not produce salvation. Even demons believe and obey.

When Jesus told a demon to come out of a person it happened.

 

[jamie]

The Jews had no power to exercise judgement while under Roman occupation.

Maybe some day you can explain that to Stephen.

 

[God's Truth]

Believing and obeying God does not produce salvation. Even demons believe and obey.

When Jesus told a demon to come out of a person it happened.

You prove easily that you have no understanding.

James is calling people foolish for saying we do not have to obey---he says EVEN the demons believe and do something, they shudder.

 

[God's Truth]

Maybe some day you can explain that to Stephen.

Jamie, why don't you explain how people are saved if they do not have to believe or obey God.

 

[andyc]

Maybe some day you can explain that to Stephen.

It was murder while under Roman occupation.

 

[andyc]

Troll. I'm done.

You have been. Well and truly.

 

[andyc]

The law given by Moses was given to him on Mt. Sinai by Christ.

The man Jesus did not give Moses the law.
At that time the word was not flesh, and did not dwell among us. God was revealed to Israel as YHWH.
The law was the covenant to the nation of Israel.

 

[andyc]

The law was given by Christ

Rubbish.

to establish peace and order in the community. The law was not given to establish salvation.

No it was given to a nation to set them apart to God.

Believers were not prohibited from keeping the law.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed and they are all zealous for the law..."​

Believed what exactly?

Rom 11:6

 

[Tambora]

It was a trap. Can you not see this?

A trap to see if He would contradict the law.

John 8:5-6 KJV
(5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
(6) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

The Jews had no power to exercise judgement while under Roman occupation.

Not a darn thing in the law about Roman occupation.

Their question was concerning the law given to them through Moses, not the law of the Romans.

The motive was to get Jesus to contradict Moses in order to undermine his teaching.

Yep, but Jesus did not contradict Moses.
The mock trial was not just and was not per the law.

Jesus didn't condemn the woman, which means that the law was superseded by a higher authority. The grace of God.

Jesus didn't condemn the woman because the law was not followed per condemnation of adultery.
Jesus upheld the law, they did not.

It's amazing to watch you mad nutcases fumbling around trying to wriggle out of this to salvage your precious cult.

It's amazing that nutcases believe that the adulterous woman is a doctrine of MAD.
MAD agrees that Jesus was born under the law (Gal 4:4).
MAD agrees that at the time of the adulterous woman, Jesus was still under the law, and that Jesus Himself said that not one jot of tiles of the law would pass till all was fulfilled.
Not all was fulfilled at the time of the adulterous woman.
The law was still in force at that time, and Jesus was under the law at that time.

 

[dodge]

Ummm.
You are the one that has said that the new did not replace the old till Jesus came out of the tomb.
Even by your very own testimony, the law was still in force during the incident of the adulterous woman, because Jesus had not yet walked out of the tomb by then.
The very question that they ask of Jesus is about the law and what the law said about condemning an adulterous woman. (John 8:5)
And at that time, Jesus was under the law.
We cannot deny that Jesus was born in His earthly flesh & blood body UNDER THE LAW. (Gal 4:4)

Born under the law does not mean that He was not above the LAW , which of course HE was.

I seem to remember the rock they ( OT ) drank from was Jesus. Why place limits on God ? He can do as He pleases. God is NOT bound by OT law.If He was HE would have never allowed Moses to OK a bill of divorce, which was never His intent. He only allowed it because of the hardness of man's heart.

 

[dodge]

Jamie, why don't you explain how people are saved if they do not have to believe or obey God.

Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works ( keeping the law ) saves NO ONE as per scripture.

 

[God's Truth]

Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works ( keeping the law ) saves NO ONE as per scripture.

Jamie, why don't you explain how people are saved if they do not have to believe or obey God.

 

[God's Truth]

Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works ( keeping the law ) saves NO ONE as per scripture.

Paul was speaking about the PURIFICATION/CEREMONIAL laws.

Paul was NOT saying we are saved by faith without obedience.

Paul was saying we are not saved by the purification/ceremonial works.

 

[andyc]

A trap to see if He would contradict the law.

John 8:5-6 KJV
(5) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
(6) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.



Not a darn thing in the law about Roman occupation.

Their question was concerning the law given to them through Moses, not the law of the Romans.

Yep, but Jesus did not contradict Moses.
The mock trial was not just and was not per the law.

It wasn't a trial. It was a test.

Jesus didn't condemn the woman because the law was not followed per condemnation of adultery.
Jesus upheld the law, they did not.

Nonsense.
The accusers were not intending to kill this woman, they were simply trying to see if Jesus would undermine the law.
If the woman was caught in the act, she wouldn't have a leg to stand on, which is why this situation was obviously a setup.
Either Jesus would uphold the law by condemning the woman what she's done, or, as the accusers figured, he would desire to forgive this woman, and by doing so be undermining the law. The accusers would then have something to use against him.

It's amazing that nutcases believe that the adulterous woman is a doctrine of MAD.
MAD agrees that Jesus was born under the law (Gal 4:4).

Born under the law to redeem those under the law. Not keep them under the law.

MAD agrees that at the time of the adulterous woman, Jesus was still under the law, and that Jesus Himself said that not one jot of tiles of the law would pass till all was fulfilled.
Not all was fulfilled at the time of the adulterous woman.
The law was still in force at that time, and Jesus was under the law at that time.

It's still not fulfilled. The law still stands for those who reject Jesus.

 

[jamie]

The man Jesus did not give Moses the law.

Who do you think brought the Father's firstborn out of Egypt?

Who was the fire by night and the cloud by day?

 

[jamie]

The man Jesus did not give Moses the law.

At the time Christ was God, not a man.

 

[God's Truth]

It's still not fulfilled. The law still stands for those who reject Jesus.

There is no way that anyone can be under the old law anymore because there is no temple. God is not with the people who reject His Son. Every human is condemned until they come to God through Jesus.

 

[jamie]

Jamie, why don't you explain how people are saved if they do not have to believe or obey God.

Grace (through faith).

 

[andyc]

There is no way that anyone can be under the old law anymore because there is no temple. God is not with the people who reject His Son. Every human is condemned until they come to God through Jesus.

Obviously.
But if people reject righteousness by faith, they will be judged by their works. Only Jesus measures up in that regard.