musterion
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Hi, Evil Eye.
What is the Gospel?
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Hi, Evil Eye.
glorydaz
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And we see the "anti witness" of this carnal man of the flesh (EVIL EYEBALL) posing as a believer.
What this ignorant man (EVIL ONE) doesn't want to admit is that he limits the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ when he claims only believers will be saved. Everyone except universalists limit the atonement in some way.
The Calvinists limit it to a paticular group they consider elect, according to my understanding, while those who preach the Gospel of Grace limit the atonement to those who believe.
Clearly this so called "debater" (EVIL eye) is ruled by his carnal nature and not the Spirit of God. His pride has been assaulted....as well it should be, and he insists on spewing his vile and ignorance on the rest of us. His attacks on AMR make me sick. I certainly don't agree with everything AMR teaches, but I don't agree on everything others teach, either. Does that give me the right to puke on all the other posters here, calling some to join my crusade like a baby brat in diapers?
THIS EVIL ONE obviously doesn't know the difference between Calvin's doctrine of Limited Atonement and the teaching that only those who believe will be saved. I see a limitation, and God forbid, I should be called out by this EVIL MORON for clearly stating that LIMITATION.
glorydaz
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He will never leave. He lives to deceive. He's EVIL and will wander around like a roaring snot nosed lion seeking whom he may devour...just like his father the devil.
freelight
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The brass tacks of the GOOD NEWS.......
The brass tacks of the GOOD NEWS.......
Yes, this would be a matter of what factors affect or condition one's response-ability towards God.
Jesus gave his life for all, thru love, and so his 'gospel' is the message of God's love thru service to others (the true sacrifice being the laying down of one's whole being to fulfill love's will), whereby that divine love inspires one to live for love's sake.
A friend of 'God' will serve 'God' and his will, naturally.
The 'good news' is simply that God reveals his love thru his Son, and thru his sons and daughters (thru spiritual regeneration), and we are to share and extend this love to all. The 'gospel' is the story of God's LOVE being fulfilled in our lives, thru-out space and time, into eternity.
Again, the only limiting factor if indeed this factor can LIMIT or REJECT divine love, is the individual's ability and CHOICE to respond, receive and ACT upon that love.
This is the essential truth pertaining to the matter of one's acceptance and experience of 'salvation' or 'liberation' from whatever prevents one from the full benefit of LOVE.
The brass tacks of the GOOD NEWS.......
Yes, this would be a matter of what factors affect or condition one's response-ability towards God.
Jesus gave his life for all, thru love, and so his 'gospel' is the message of God's love thru service to others (the true sacrifice being the laying down of one's whole being to fulfill love's will), whereby that divine love inspires one to live for love's sake.
A friend of 'God' will serve 'God' and his will, naturally.
The 'good news' is simply that God reveals his love thru his Son, and thru his sons and daughters (thru spiritual regeneration), and we are to share and extend this love to all. The 'gospel' is the story of God's LOVE being fulfilled in our lives, thru-out space and time, into eternity.
Again, the only limiting factor if indeed this factor can LIMIT or REJECT divine love, is the individual's ability and CHOICE to respond, receive and ACT upon that love.
This is the essential truth pertaining to the matter of one's acceptance and experience of 'salvation' or 'liberation' from whatever prevents one from the full benefit of LOVE.
Can you imagine how he must have stalked his girlfriends?
glorydaz
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YIKES!
The hats, the fake beards, the trench coat, the hiding behind trees, the hang up calls, the dead rats delivered anonymously on their doorsteps. :shocked:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Recapping thots in the GARDEN..........
Recapping thots in the GARDEN..........
~*~*~
Recap of some of my former posts on the 'gospel' below -
- what is the gospel? (objective more skeptical view)
- gospel focus
- gospel grab bag
- the kingdom gospel is eternal, since his kingdom is eternal
- kingdom of Spirit-government
* It really comes down to one's own definition of terms,...and then the meanings and values given and associated with those 'terms' within a given context. It will all be subjectively interpreted and related, however that translates into one's actual experience of relationships in secular and religious life. The whole war on TULIP is 'technicalities' (word salad) as one could just as well throw up an Arminian DAISY and its just tip-toeing thru the same garden with various weeds for the pulling.
I'll come up with a Gnostic flower acronym maybe, and put my fun lil spin on that
Recapping thots in the GARDEN..........
~*~*~
Recap of some of my former posts on the 'gospel' below -
- what is the gospel? (objective more skeptical view)
- gospel focus
- gospel grab bag
- the kingdom gospel is eternal, since his kingdom is eternal
- kingdom of Spirit-government
* It really comes down to one's own definition of terms,...and then the meanings and values given and associated with those 'terms' within a given context. It will all be subjectively interpreted and related, however that translates into one's actual experience of relationships in secular and religious life. The whole war on TULIP is 'technicalities' (word salad) as one could just as well throw up an Arminian DAISY and its just tip-toeing thru the same garden with various weeds for the pulling.
I'll come up with a Gnostic flower acronym maybe, and put my fun lil spin on that
That is why it is false - just as false as your extreme - your false gospel of an endless treadmill of one's own works for salvation.
In contrast to "the truth of the gospel..."
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Acts 17:11,12.
Titus wasn't.
I receive the papacy as the office of the supreme pastor of the Body of Christ. Is that what you mean by "following Peter?"
I never said that.
What I said is that you are as wrong as the Universalist because your gospel is as wrong as theirs is...
Your own error is that you believe in works for salvation - in complete disagreement with the passages I quoted to you that clearly show what you have just now proven once more - that you have trouble properly understanding what you read.
I won't fault you for obviously being unable to properly understand what you read.
But my faulting you or not, is not going to save you from your obvious error.
Again - only believing the following will save you from your works based error...
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Acts 17:11,12.
Romans 5:8 towards you.
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Sonnet
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Thanks Danoh - certainly such scriptures underpin the claim that Christ died for all.
glorydaz
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What's to challenge? There is no "there" there. You give your opinion and there is nothing there but speculation on your part.
glorydaz
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What did His death accomplish for those who never believe?
You should be able to name what that is. :chew:
Sonnet
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This might be said about every sentence ever posted on a forum. John 3:14-16 clearly teaches a genuine offer of salvation to those Scripture claims are sinners - which, it would seem, is good news for mankind.
Sonnet
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A genuine offer of eternal life; nobody could ever say they were left out.
Lon
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The mongergistic nature of God's saving Grace, emphasizes that man should have no part in his/her salvation, lest he/she then can lose it. IOW, synergism salvation 'can' leave us exactly as we were found and is not much help at all. Therefore, many MADists and almost all Perseverance/OSAS folks, will believe in some form of an atonement that is wholly in God's hands and man cannot mess up. It is the larger part and concern then, that atonement must therefore be in God's hands, not mans'. "If" that is true, then atonement is limited in scope when all are not saved "because God keeps whom He saves."
Many/most who are unlimited atonement proponents, tend to either be universalists or Arminian, believing that man can lose or give up his/her salvation. Iow, those who believe it is limited believe it is complete, done deal, while those who believe in an unlimited atonement see themselves as having to meet God halfway, or part of the way and that such is not assured, it 'depends.' That, or as I previously mentioned, that all are saved and there is nothing men ever need do: God does it all and for all men, without exception.
Which, depending upon how this makes sense to you, makes you either a Calvinist or a synergist where your salvation depends in some measure, upon you. Either God saves to the uttermost or we are partially responsible for saving ourselves, at least on the surface of the Calvinism/other debate. Question: Does any of my future in Christ, depend on me? Does that mean I can mess it up?