What is the Gospel?
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lain: And?
I nailed your dishonest debate tactics and here they are again... you’ve been answered. I even answered your loaded question... earlier... and was misquoted in falsification...
People see what you are doing... and you are blowing it... you just don’t see it...
Me? No.
But Jesus and scripture do...
1 John 2:2
1 Timothy 4:10
John 12:32
Matthew 18:11 ... (not just dispensational... but a character of Jesus scripture... winkey face)
1 Timothy 2:4
Me...
Jesus died for all
Tambora and Glorydaz... Did Jesus die for all?
Response...
Tam and Glory’s Debate tactics...
1) Forget 1 Timothy 4:10
2) Conflate human response to Jesus with Jesus’ response to humanity
3) Sophistry and high fives
4) Claim Disunity being sewn when they are seen for their false debate tactics...
5) Be recalcitrant and place blame for their sophistry on the individual in whom’s words they are twisting at the moment.
6) Act like the old muppet guys in the balcony, even though their point is based on false assertion and a refusal to answer via scripture... with honesty.
7) Recieve Scriptural rebuttal and pretend they didn’t while asking a question over and over that has been clearly answered while they STILL REFUSE TO ANSWER IF JESUS DIED FOR ALL!
My final response to both of them... on their refusal to admit Jesus died for all...
Every post of theirs that follows this post of mine from them in response to being busted and exposed...
All who believe, what's so confusing about that? Not all believe.
That's a good question, and whatever is the answer, will explain 1st Timothy 4:10 (KJV), and why He is the Savior of anybody other than His Church, the Elect, the Body of Christ; believers. At least in some sense, He is NOT the Savior of unbelievers. Whatever way that is, is precisely NOT what 1st Timothy 4:10 (KJV) means, in saying He is the Savior of all.
Derf
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Maybe.....resurrection?
Yep, kind of - even The so called Buddha got that right about that principle.
Or as he had supposedly put it "if someone offers you a gift and you refuse it; who's gift does it remain?"
Although, in his lost, atheist case, he supposedly had said that during his advising of someone who had asked him how he might handle being insulted by someone; the principle is nevertheless the same.
Or as the Apostle Paul might have said of that "This witness (this point or observation) is true" Titus 1:13.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Romans 5:7, 8.
There is nothing in that hodgepodge that says what Christ's death did for those that do not get salvation.
But you are welcome to respond with another cluster of gifs if you think that helps.
BINGO!
Maybe EE will catch on and can provide an answer next time someone asks.
You lie. Did Jesus die for all?
Any answer besides yes is TULIP based... So... no...
And I stated over and over “saved from the clutches of the first physical death”...
It’s all there and Thread history doesn’t lie. :e4e:
Ahemmmm... you do...
Derf
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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [1Co 15:22 KJV]
Does "all" mean "all"? Does only one "all" mean "all", and the other "all" means "not all"? Maybe Paul misunderstood Matt 26:28. Or maybe it wasn't written yet, so he didn't have the full truth.
Fortunately Paul explains what "many" means, too:
But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [Rom 5:15 KJV]
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. [Rom 5:19 KJV]
Answer: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: [Rom 5:12 KJV]
If death passed to "all" because of Adam's offence, but Paul then says "many be dead" through Adam's offence, does not Paul mean "all" when he says "many". And if Paul says "all will be made alive", but he only means "many", he sure seems to confuse the two terms.
:AMR: How am I a liar? What the hell is wrong with you?
Coming from you ...... that doesn't mean anything.
Hi Derf.
Good questions.
Do you see a difference in how Christ's death satisfied Adam's sin (singular) and how it satisfied each individual's sins (plural)?
Thanks.
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glorydaz
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My goodness, what will I ever do? :allsmile:
You two have about the same understanding on many things, come to think of it. :think:
All are drawn by the preaching of the cross, and those who believe will be saved. Of course not all respond, nor are their sins forgiven, nor are they saved. So keep playing your little word games, quoting some verses and ignoring others. You won't be the first to do just that.
Being drawn is good, but it doesn't save. Not all are willing to be reconciled by His death....they remain enemies. You can't change that no matter how many tizzies you throw.
Yeah, of course....through the preaching of the Word.
:idea: Maybe I should start a campaign, "mention" every poster I can think of to comment on that statement. Heck, I could even put up a bunch of silly memes, and add in a few cuss words to draw attention to this statement of yours.
I know, why don't you try growing up and quote some verses that show where this could happen.
glorydaz
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AMR is in his right mind, unlike you, and very knowledgeable about Scripture.
YOU, on the other hand are an Evil "wanna be" Christian who obviously can't help but show your big fat rear end every time you come on to post. You're disgusting.
glorydaz
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His pride got hurt, and he's still throwing a tantrum. Plain and simple.
Sophistry exposed...
The Lie...
“Jesus didn’t die for all”
The Truth...
Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
He died for ALL and gave access to ALL!
He died for ALL Sins! ALL Sins of Every Man that was, is and will be... 1 John 2:2
If He hadn’t... done so... ALL men wouldn’t have Access!
He is the “Savior of all”... 1 Timothy 4:10
“Especially to those that believe”... which means He died for even those that reject Him in full...
To conflate God’s provision to all men with mankind’s response to God’s provision is a deceptive reduction of the scope of all scripture that declares HIM the Lover of all Souls and the Savior of All!
1 Timothy 4:10 !!!
Not just Believers... but ALL Men!!!
People who blasted myself and BBK for exalting the Holy Spirit of Jesus over scripture are taking a dump all over 1 Timothy 4:10 ‘s literal verbiage!
I’m literally watching Calvinism clutch ToL as surely as AMR PM’s all active newbies to learn Calvinism from him!
The Lie...
“Jesus didn’t die for all”
The Truth...
Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
He died for ALL and gave access to ALL!
He died for ALL Sins! ALL Sins of Every Man that was, is and will be... 1 John 2:2
If He hadn’t... done so... ALL men wouldn’t have Access!
He is the “Savior of all”... 1 Timothy 4:10
“Especially to those that believe”... which means He died for even those that reject Him in full...
To conflate God’s provision to all men with mankind’s response to God’s provision is a deceptive reduction of the scope of all scripture that declares HIM the Lover of all Souls and the Savior of All!
1 Timothy 4:10 !!!
Not just Believers... but ALL Men!!!
People who blasted myself and BBK for exalting the Holy Spirit of Jesus over scripture are taking a dump all over 1 Timothy 4:10 ‘s literal verbiage!
I’m literally watching Calvinism clutch ToL as surely as AMR PM’s all active newbies to learn Calvinism from him!