Dialogos
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Yes, the purpose of life is to glorify God.
ECT What is Predestination?
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Nanja
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To exhibit His Sovereign Power over all His Creation.
To make His Glory known.
Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among
the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Rom. 9:22-23 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy,
which he had afore prepared unto glory
God Purposed to deal with the non-elect vessels of wrath exclusively by their works,
excluding them from His Purpose for all those of the Election of Grace 2 Tim. 1:9!
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do we glorify God when we sin?
Those who are in the flesh cannot please God
so why did God make them?
So you can ask why God made you so you can never get an answer due to your total depravity. What is the Tao?
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As I previously said, I made the same statement about scripture. I stated that openness also conformed to scripture. Scripture doesn't interrupt 'my little exercise'.
Only those who agree with your particular interpretation of scripture. Anyone reading the scripture at face value will see that God gave the Israelites a choice to accept the covenant or not and their future depended on that choice.
Once again, you repeat the error of describing our experiences as fallible. Our experiences are simply what they are. But if you insist on this then your reading the Bible is as much an experience as anything else and therefore your argument is self-defeating. I tried to point this out to you gently before but obviously you didn't get it.
A tenant is somebody who pays rent to live in a house or other property. This makes no sense whatsoever.
Correction, it has everything to do with you because your interpretation of a lot of scripture is wrong. Also, your argument of the 'primacy of God's word' (by which I assume you mean the scriptures - which in the scriptures themselves are not called 'God's word' at all) is nowhere stated in the scriptures. Therefore your argument is totally self-defeating because that argument itself is not in the scriptures and therefore cannot have primacy.
My assertion has the significance I first gave to it.
Saying that you dispute my observation is of course fair comment. It's the first relevant response to what I said that you have made. However, I never claimed that this was the source of my 'theological knowledge'. Furthermore, I have actually never claimed to have 'theological knowledge'. This is not the kind of claim I would make.
It was stated to mean that openness has that advantage whilst for Calvinism, it was a disadvantage. In my original post, you will perhaps have noticed that I was not making truth claims, just giving observations about the power of certain arguments. It was you who chose to blow it all up out of proportion by introducing irrelevant and biased ideas.
I haven't got the time right now to answer in detail to all your points but I am glad that you are starting to deal with what I actually said.
Not quite correct. Openness conforms to everyday experience. Calvinism doesn't and requires an artificial layer of specific interpretations of everyday experience in order to maintain credibility.
That's so funny! Because if I only have my own experiences to evaluate then you only have yours to evaluate. That's just plain idiotic because human beings have collective memory and we can communicate to each other.
My qualifications are irrelevant to this matter. All that matters is whether my opinion is correct or not.
As I said, I am glad you are starting to recognise that my simple statement is or might even be true. However, you continue to straw man my position. As I have said before I do not derive openness theory from experiences, nor do I get them from the Bible. All I am saying is that both everyday experiences and the Bible are compatible with openness. Neither our experiences nor a normal reading of the Bible require any additional layer of explanations or excuses. They are already both, at face value, compatible with openness. They are not compatible at face value with Calvinism and both our everyday experiences and a good many passages of scripture require some kind of additional layer of interpretation to make them compatible with Calvinism. This fact is a strong point in favour of openness and against Calvinism.
The real monks say they can't answer something they can't experience nor translate it in human language.
Indeed. Did you know that the logos is so similar to the tao that the chinese translation of logos is tao? But then of course you knew that! I think it is a blow to those who equate Christianity with Platonism, failing to recognise that true Christianity can be expressed through more than one world view.
If I exist, I experience things but you denied my explanations and called it non sense cause you're the everyday person with no time to pray that prevents you from casting out demons .
When I trace the source of my thought, I find God running it. You don't see far enough into your thought cause your imagined freewill blinds you, making you common among your friends who are also regular people who don't pray.
do you test the spirits?
do you have that word
test
in you bible?
didn't think so
how would you test the spirits?
The fields around me repels certain elements. You don't care to cultivate your fields and you can't cast out the unfamiliar spirits. You have a repetitive questioning demons you enjoy company with. He looks like a spirit of trolls and lives in everyday people and produces agony and bitterness. You must cultivate yourself to rid of it. Your freewill keeps the demons hanging around like a party in your dens of your soul. You must surrender to the Spirit. You seek, track, follow and orbit. You orbit God's wills. His force makes you willing. You're like, "I have free will to levitate and I'm levitating". You deny that gravity is keeping you from doing what you think you're doing. God has more control over you than you think but you want control over yourself. Some of your posts are flamming questions just to keep the flamming going.
all that to say my choices are limited?
I have already agreed to that
my job is to keep on asking questions
until they are answered
your job is to use you ability to think
The breath is the rider and the horse is the mind. Extreme concentration on the breath causes the mind to calm and with a calm mind, things are clear. You're not in the clear cause you're afriad of the empty the mind concept. You might loose your fake free will. You're trying to hold on to it so you can make your choices according to your unclear busymindeness. The key is "undo". You gotta lot of things to undo and let go. You got to let the pope go. Let go of him. Flee from your boss
we use reason and logic to establish what we think is truth
so do you have reason to believe that you are one of the saved?
While going into the source before reason and logic where it comes from, I use the ancient arts of the 3 wise men along with the Bible and my actions are my own personal built-in instinct reason I'm on the straight narrow path God leads me on. Being on the proper path nothing matters to me as a sinner including if you believe me or not. You must cultivate your being to understand but youre a cool everyday guy anyway. Our conversations has been fun. Your rituals in your early denomination might give you a slight clue what I'm talking about. The fringe monks of RCC say the same thing. I think "Rose" is one of them.