Nang
TOL Subscriber
Exactly!
My husbands and my testimony, is being delivered out of such a cult.
This is the most accurate and bottom-line description of Dispensationalism.
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ECT What is better about D'ism?
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Exactly!
My husbands and my testimony, is being delivered out of such a cult.
This is the most accurate and bottom-line description of Dispensationalism.
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musterion
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Fool. Paul gave a list of the things Gentiles were excluded from, of which the covenants were but one thing they didn't have.
But now, Gentiles are co-heirs of what? The NC?
Eph 3:6
Joint partakers of the promise in Christ.
Romans 8:17
Joint heirs of Christ.
CHRIST is what was promised far back as Adam, promised through Abraham, before Israel, promised to come through Israel, meaning Gentiles had no direct access at the time and, with Israel's failure, apparently no hope. But now the obstacle of stumbled Israel has been removed.
The inheritance to Gentiles is Christ Himself (2 Cor 1:20) via believing the Gospel of grace. You get Him, you get all.
That inheritance is not the NC. That is still Israel's alone, else God lied.
Unless you're now going to tell us Christ IS the NC.
You're arguing from the white areas of the page to make your point, and you lose.
musterion
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Every person on TOL who has said "I was once a dispie!" ends up demonstrating that, if it were ever true, they understood nothing about it and end up attacking caricatures and misconceptions. Tet was the worst example. IP is the only one I've not seen claim is an ex-dispie.
Actually, IP has often claimed having once been a Dispy.
Only to prove he was clueless all along, but mention the above; he often has.
Rom. 5:8
Acts 17:11,12
Interplanner
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That would be because you have no memory. At least I've never seen evidence of a memory that goes back further than one post. I have 1000 posts explaining that I grew up in a fundamentalist d'ist church and attended a major D'ist bible college with constant visitors from DTS. I spoke with Walvoord on tour personally.
You don't know what you are saying Biblically or TOLly.
The question at hand is 'what is the definition of 'better' in heb 8-10?' You dont' even remember that.
btw, yes, the NT is saying that Christ is the NC. It's everywhere. "This is the new covenant my body broken for you". Stop destroying the sweet beautiful gift of the Gospel.
Why do you sound like the opposite of Rom 11's closing poem: your whole orientation is that God owes something to some group of people, after the Gospel and everything.
musterion
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Why would it matter given who the letter was addressed to? Not to Gentiles.
musterion
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In that case, no one but Jews have any claim on Him.
Interplanner
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Don't need to: this body is the new covenant in my flesh, the blood is the new covenant in my blood. questions?
You need to deal with Heb 9-10 point by point. that is the OP here. If you want an OP on Eph 2-3, which you will totally lose, go ahead. You have been asked to write on what 'better' means about the new covenant we now enjoy and you are here trying to say we dont' enjoy it. That's your problem. I do enjoy it.
You are in a stronghold that is decieving you and you need to be freed.
musterion
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Yes: why did you deliberately misquote the words of the Lord?
No translation says "This body is the new covenant in my flesh." You made that up, per the principle of Rev 22:18.
Interplanner
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Why do you deliberately drive 100,000 feet of concrete wired with electricity between blood and body? Your beliefs are therefore hooey.
Why on earth would blood be one thing and body be another? Is there yet another compartmentalization that D'ism has invented to divide up even more Christians from each other in their already divided up gospels? You are a factory of division where there is supposed to be unity in Christ. It all starts from the carnality of putting Judea and Judaism where the OT Scriptures were meant to be fulfilled in Christ.
Per Acts 13's sermon and Lk 24's summary of the seminar. And Acts 26's summary of what Paul said he was allowed to say about the OT.
Interplanner
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Why do you deliberately not render heb 9-10 in normal meaning?
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musterion
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Nang
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What is the life of Christ's earthly body, but the blood?
There is no distinction applied in the elements between the bread and the wine. They both represent the body Jesus Christ would offer up in death, as ratification of the new and better Covenant of Redemption.
Your narrow English literalism has spiritually blinded you to the greater depths of divine Truth revealed in the Holy Scriptures.
musterion
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Why are you defending someone who deliberately misquoted Christ?
Forget English. Look at an online interlinear breakdown of Greek. The words IP put in Christ's mouth ARE NOT THERE.
He lied, and made Christ a liar in doing it.
Why are you okay with that?
Nang
TOL Subscriber
Because I read IP's post as being explanatory of the main point rather than attempting expository preaching or formal exegesis.
Jesus was revealing the coming sacrifice of His very life that would ratify the Covenant promises. And that life consisted of body and blood, which the elements symbolize.
It offends me that any MADist would get all huffy and purer than snow, when it comes to discussion of Scripture, when they are the ones who omit most of the Bible from their thinking and formulations of beliefs.
You display terrible hypocrisy here . . . :down:
Nang
TOL Subscriber
I do not see any quotation marks . . .