@Right Divider It means we have to justify thyself (i.e. make righteous thyself before God).
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Not today during the dispensation of the grace of God.
According to Paul, Christ is our righteousness. See the book to the Romans.
Jerry Shugart
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So are you arguing that if a Jew walked in all the commandments and ordinances perfectly then he wasn't considered righteous in God's eyes?
Even though the Lord Jesus Himself told them that if they kept the commandments they would gain eternal life (Mt.19:17)?
If you think that Luke 1:6 is speaking about being blameless in regard to keeping the Ten Commandments then Paul must have been in error when he said that all have sinned. Is that what you believe?
Even though the Lord Jesus Himself told them that if they kept the commandments they would gain eternal life (Mt.19:17)?
If you think that Luke 1:6 is speaking about being blameless in regard to keeping the Ten Commandments then Paul must have been in error when he said that all have sinned. Is that what you believe?
Jerry Shugart
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Paul said that some of the Jews were attempting to establish their own righteousness and were ignorant of God's righteouness (Ro.10:30.
But RightDivider thinks that it is only the present dispensation when the righeousness which isof God is imputed to those who believe.
But RightDivider thinks that it is only the present dispensation when the righeousness which isof God is imputed to those who believe.
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Again, as per your usual, you try to twist my words. It's tiresome how dishonest you are Jerry.
My point was this:
- They "walked in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless", Luke 1:6
- They were both righteous, Luke 1:7
- Neither their commandment keeping nor their righteousness merits eternal life.
That's interesting Jerry. You've nagged me to no end for quoting scripture like this. Do you NOW think that law keeping "gains eternal life"? That's quite the hypocrisy there.
Do you believe that if someone keeps the law that they never sin? I don't think that you've ever read the law Jerry. You really should read it some time.
The people of Israel KEPT the law by making sacrifices FOR their sin.
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Jerry's back to tells lies about what others believe.
Jerry Shugart
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RightDivider said:
Do you believe that if someone keeps the law that they never sin?
So are you now saying that if a Jew broke a Commandment and was therefore guilty of all (Jas.2;10) then it can be said that that Jew kept the law?
Do you believe that if someone keeps the law that they never sin?
So are you now saying that if a Jew broke a Commandment and was therefore guilty of all (Jas.2;10) then it can be said that that Jew kept the law?
Jerry Shugart
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a question for Right Divider:
What did the Jews who lived under the law have to do to inherit eternal life?
What did the Jews who lived under the law have to do to inherit eternal life?
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Learn how to quote Jerry.
It's interesting that you bring up James Jerry, James said that faith alone was not good enough.
His last question is rhetorical and the obvious answer is no.
Can you not see that James and Paul disagree?
James did NOT know the revelation given to Paul.
I've long said that you are not a dispenstionalist at all as to you the entire Bible is all the same.
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When Jesus was asked this question, what did He say?
Now I'll ask one of your favorite questions: Do you not believe the Lord Jesus Christ?
Jerry Shugart
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Why do you refuse to answer my simple question, which was:
What did the Jews who lived under the law have to do to inherit eternal life?
You said that faith by itself wasn't enough.
So you must think that the following words of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law cannot be believed?:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
In regard to the book of James you overlooked the truth in regard to how James revealed that they are saved:
"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (Jas.1:17).
Since you don't believe what the Lord Jesus said to the Jews at Jihn 6:47 i am sure you will not believe James 1:17.
What did the Jews who lived under the law have to do to inherit eternal life?
You said that faith by itself wasn't enough.
So you must think that the following words of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law cannot be believed?:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
In regard to the book of James you overlooked the truth in regard to how James revealed that they are saved:
"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (Jas.1:17).
Since you don't believe what the Lord Jesus said to the Jews at Jihn 6:47 i am sure you will not believe James 1:17.
Jerry Shugart
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You said that faith by itself wasn't enough to save the Jews who lived under the law despite the following word of the lord Jesus spoken to those who lived under the law:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
His words obviously mean nothing to you. The truth is not in you.
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
His words obviously mean nothing to you. The truth is not in you.
Jerry Shugart
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Mat 19:16-17 KJV And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? (17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
"No man is justified by the law in the sight of God" (Gal.3:11).
"No man is justified by the law in the sight of God" (Gal.3:11).
When you mix the gospels, only confusion arises.
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So you think that the Lord Jesus Christ was wrong?
Do you know nothing at all about the dispensations of God?
Jerry Shugart
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No, the lord Jesus was not wrong. if a jew kept the law perfectly he would have eternal life. But as Paul, said, all have sinned.
in your gross unbelief you deny the following words of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
You deny His words because you say that it took more than faith for those under the law to receive eternal life.
Pitiful!
in your gross unbelief you deny the following words of the Lord Jesus spoken to the Jews who lived under the law:
"I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
You deny His words because you say that it took more than faith for those under the law to receive eternal life.
Pitiful!
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Again you lie about me Jerry. Goodbye and may God bless you.
Jerry Shugart
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You deny your own words and then call me a liar.
You quoted james to tary to prove that faith alone was not sufficient for the jews to obtain eternal life. Do you deny that?
You quoted james to tary to prove that faith alone was not sufficient for the jews to obtain eternal life. Do you deny that?