Was Lazarus A 'Bum'?
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Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Because I'm emphasizing that Jesus used the story of LazArus for a different purpose [i.e. a parody].
Unfortunately for you leftists who want to paint Jesus Christ as some left wing social activist who uses the force of government to take from one to give to another (while creating a huge bureaucracy), that's not the case here.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If you think that Jesus Christ, the Son of God/God in the flesh wants to use the force of government to take from those who have, and give to those who they (government) deem in need, then make your case based on verses and passages in Holy Scripture.
I'll wait...
Charitable giving (whether it be money or your time spent helping charitable causes, or both) is a huge part of Christianity, but as you failed to point out by not showing any evidence in Scripture, Jesus doesn't want government involved.
BTW, do you realize that it's certain types of government (secular humanist/atheist) where the poor are much more prevalent?
Because I'm emphasizing that Jesus used the story of LazArus for a different purpose [i.e. a parody].
Unfortunately for you leftists who want to paint Jesus Christ as some left wing social activist who uses the force of government to take from one to give to another (while creating a huge bureaucracy), that's not the case here.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If you think that Jesus Christ, the Son of God/God in the flesh wants to use the force of government to take from those who have, and give to those who they (government) deem in need, then make your case based on verses and passages in Holy Scripture.
I'll wait...
Charitable giving (whether it be money or your time spent helping charitable causes, or both) is a huge part of Christianity, but as you failed to point out by not showing any evidence in Scripture, Jesus doesn't want government involved.
BTW, do you realize that it's certain types of government (secular humanist/atheist) where the poor are much more prevalent?
glassjester
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Do you think the point Jesus was trying to get across was...
A) The government should have forcefully taken money from the rich man and given it to Lazarus.
or
B) The rich man should have voluntarily helped Lazarus.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
is there anything in scripture to suggest that the rich man denied lazarus the scraps of food off his table?
Arthur Brain
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The only 'painting' being done here is by you, and it's a rather clumsy abstract one at that. What you advocate is nothing short of escalating a poverty you've likely never experienced yourself but hey, all those scribes and pharisees were probably 'left wingers' eh?
lain: Nobody's saying it isn't but then promoting a state that doesn't make provision for the poor and those who would inevitably suffer without regular aid is hardly one borne of charity is it?
What you describe in your latter hardly pertains to the West, so maybe it's about time to get back to your little blog. It's getting lonely...
Arthur Brain
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Well he certainly wasn't invited in was he? Or are you just going to be irritably pedantic on the matter?
lain:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Well he certainly wasn't invited in was he? Or are you just going to be irritably pedantic on the matter?
iow, no, there is nothing in scripture to suggest that the rich man denied lazarus the scraps of food off his table
good - so we've corrected one of the flawed premises of your OP :thumb:
Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Unfortunately for you leftists who want to paint Jesus Christ as some left wing social activist who uses the force of government to take from one to give to another (while creating a huge bureaucracy), that's not the case here.
Again: Like every good little left winger does, you've attempted to use Holy Scripture to back your Godless socialist agenda. Once again: you failed miserably.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Charitable giving (whether it be money or your time spent helping charitable causes, or both) is a huge part of Christianity, but as you failed to point out by not showing any evidence in Scripture, Jesus doesn't want government involved.
BTW, do you realize that it's certain types of government (secular humanist/atheist) where the poor are much more prevalent?
A state that gives tax donations to it's citizens for charitable donations is hardly "promoting a state that doesn't make provision for the poor" is it Art?
The "West" being countries that were founded upon Judeo-Christian doctrine. Thanks for acknowledging that atheist countries are where the real poverty is because of their type of government (a government that over taxes it's populace and doesn't embrace the free enterprise system of government).
Unfortunately for you leftists who want to paint Jesus Christ as some left wing social activist who uses the force of government to take from one to give to another (while creating a huge bureaucracy), that's not the case here.
Again: Like every good little left winger does, you've attempted to use Holy Scripture to back your Godless socialist agenda. Once again: you failed miserably.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Charitable giving (whether it be money or your time spent helping charitable causes, or both) is a huge part of Christianity, but as you failed to point out by not showing any evidence in Scripture, Jesus doesn't want government involved.
BTW, do you realize that it's certain types of government (secular humanist/atheist) where the poor are much more prevalent?
A state that gives tax donations to it's citizens for charitable donations is hardly "promoting a state that doesn't make provision for the poor" is it Art?
The "West" being countries that were founded upon Judeo-Christian doctrine. Thanks for acknowledging that atheist countries are where the real poverty is because of their type of government (a government that over taxes it's populace and doesn't embrace the free enterprise system of government).
Arthur Brain
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If pompous rhetoric were a trait of Christianity you'd be a sterling ambassador. As it is it isn't and you aren't. You are just clueless as to a poverty you've obviously never experienced.
You would take away a safety net for people while self righteously judging the reasons why they were in such unfortunate predicaments to begin with for the most part. You're about as charitable as what my cat leaves in its litter tray...
It's actually dictatorships and tyrannies that do that, and the last I checked Uganda is not exactly an 'atheistic' state. You should consider moving there...
Who?
Arthur Brain
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Nigel Farrage can be good for a laugh to be honest, unlike yourself unfortunately.
Arthur Brain
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What, those are the only options available?
It ain't a game show GJ...
How about those who oppose a welfare system explain just how the impoverished are going to be catered for and just how charity will reach all those in need?
Take it away...
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
why should the impoverished expect to be catered for?
The poor should receive free catering from Olive Garden
Farrage will fit right in the Trump administration.
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/nigel-farage-ukip-not-anti-gay040515-0/#gs.twsIjFA
Arthur Brain
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You'd fit in a pantomime...
'gaystarnews'?!
You know all the sites don't ya?
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