Valuing a Gift

Ktoyou

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If someone has no shoes and another buys the barefoot person a nice pair of shoes, would that person who had no shoes be grateful?

What if someone else buys the barefoot person, who now has good shoes, better, more expensive shoes. Now that the once shoe-less person wears the better shoes, would the person who first gave the shoe-less person, shoes feel a bit hurt?
 

Tambora

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If someone has no shoes and another buys the barefoot person a nice pair of shoes, would that person who had no shoes be grateful?

What if someone else buys the barefoot person, who now has good shoes, better, more expensive shoes. Now that the once shoe-less person wears the better shoes, would the person who first gave the shoe-less person, shoes feel a bit hurt?
Motive is important here.

If the motive is pure and genuine to provide the shoeless man with a pair of shoes, then no one should feel hurt.

However, if the second giver did so just to make himself look better than the first giver, then yes there will be hurt feelings.
 

Angel4Truth

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If someone has no shoes and another buys the barefoot person a nice pair of shoes, would that person who had no shoes be grateful?

What if someone else buys the barefoot person, who now has good shoes, better, more expensive shoes. Now that the once shoe-less person wears the better shoes, would the person who first gave the shoe-less person, shoes feel a bit hurt?

I wouldn't be. I don't understand why anyone would be.
 

Ktoyou

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Motive is important here.

If the motive is pure and genuine to provide the shoeless man with a pair of shoes, then no one should feel hurt.

However, if the second giver did so just to make himself look better than the first giver, then yes there will be hurt feelings.

Good point. when done from the heart, then it seems done in good conscience. I wonder though, way the second person did not buy the shoes in the first place?
 

Tambora

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Good point. when done from the heart, then it seems done in good conscience. I wonder though, way the second person did not buy the shoes in the first place?
I can give an example.

Steko bought me a subscription a while ago.
Shortly afterwards, my sister's family paid for a lifetime membership for me, because I was taking care of my ill sister and was practically home bound with her. She had to have 24 hour care for a long time.
They knew how much I was involved with church, and I had to give that up. It was my main reason for joining this site --- to still feel I had a church family to fellowship and study with.
My family certainly did not mean to upstage Steko. It was just that they wanted to do something for me for taking care of my sister. I believe it was around my birthday that they paid for the lifetime membership, and they had already saved up for it.

Admittidly, I felt a little guilty that Steko's gift kinda got brushed under the carpet for my "better" membership.

Steko could have felt a little cheated because the money he just spent on me was practically made useless with my new lifetime membership.
But Steko did not feel cheated. All the money went to help keep TOL going; and that's how Steko saw it.

Brought a tear to my eye.
 

Angel4Truth

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I can give an example.

Steko bought me a subscription a while ago.
Shortly afterwards, my sister's family paid for a lifetime membership for me, because I was taking care of my ill sister and was practically home bound with her. She had to have 24 hour care for a long time.
They knew how much I was involved with church, and I had to give that up. It was my main reason for joining this site --- to still feel I had a church family to fellowship and study with.
My family certainly did not mean to upstage Steko. It was just that they wanted to do something for me for taking care of my sister. I believe it was around my birthday that they paid for the lifetime membership, and they had already saved up for it.

Admittidly, I felt a little guilty that Steko's gift kinda got brushed under the carpet for my "better" membership.

Steko could have felt a little cheated because the money he just spent on me was practically made useless with my new lifetime membership.
But Steko did not feel cheated. All the money went to help keep TOL going; and that's how Steko saw it.

Brought a tear to my eye.

:thumb: That kind of thing is why i said i wouldn't be upset, because the man with the new shoes was still blessed either way, just like in your case, TOL was blessed.
 

Ktoyou

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I am sure that in some cases the gift is not the same as the original. If you care for someone and they reciprocate, then how can one object?

I would feel different if having been gifted a subscription, someone had the cash and boosted me because they can afford it.

On this matter, I am happy with what I have. In your case it was far more than one being able.
 

patrick jane

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Good point. when done from the heart, then it seems done in good conscience. I wonder though, way the second person did not buy the shoes in the first place?

what if the second person didn't know that new shoes were recently purchased for the homeless person. the second person may have bought shoes for the future for the person. at that point with two new pair, the homeless person may give a pair to another in need, blessings either way
 

OCTOBER23

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Jesus said that it is better to give than to receive
and not to expect anything back .
So... forget about it .

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ps.

CAN I BUY KTOYOU CAUSE I WANT TO BE LIKE DONALD TRUMP

AND HAVE TWO WIVES LIKE THE MORMONS.

What do you think of that ???:):):wave:
 

heir

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If someone has no shoes and another buys the barefoot person a nice pair of shoes, would that person who had no shoes be grateful?

What if someone else buys the barefoot person, who now has good shoes, better, more expensive shoes. Now that the once shoe-less person wears the better shoes, would the person who first gave the shoe-less person, shoes feel a bit hurt?

I don't see why the first should be hurt. If they were, wouldn't that be testimony that the motive for them to buy the shoe less man shoes in the first place was to satisfy their own belly? And what right has another to tell someone else they cannot give as they purpose in their heart?

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
 

Ktoyou

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Jesus said that it is better to give than to receive
and not to expect anything back .
So... forget about it .

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ps.

CAN I BUY KTOYOU CAUSE I WANT TO BE LIKE DONALD TRUMP

AND HAVE TWO WIVES LIKE THE MORMONS.

What do you think of that ???:):):wave:
I think it sounds nuts! Are you drunk?
What does buying me have to do with making you Donald Trump? Why two wives?
:kookoo:
 

OCTOBER23

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Ktoyou said,

What if someone else buys the barefoot person,
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People in the past have Bought people and so, I thought I would put a new twist
on what you printed.

The Hebrews and Americans owned Slaves and so the same situation might come up.

If you owned the person themselves and bought them shoes
and continued with the situation , how would you feel ?
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Ktoyou

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I don't see why the first should be hurt. If they were, wouldn't that be testimony that the motive for them to buy the shoe less man shoes in the first place was to satisfy their own belly? And what right has another to tell someone else they cannot give as they purpose in their heart?

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Maybe it is just me? Suppose I gave the shoes to the person out of kindness, did it gladly, then having another I did not know, did the same only after I did so, might not I feel a little hurt?

I do not telling the other what to do is part of it.

Good Biblical quote!
 

Ktoyou

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what if the second person didn't know that new shoes were recently purchased for the homeless person. the second person may have bought shoes for the future for the person. at that point with two new pair, the homeless person may give a pair to another in need, blessings either way

yes, the shoe-less person might return the kindness.

One thing you got right is I said person, not a man. then you assumed the person was homeless. See how we all think? Shoe-less, man, homeless, when all we know is he was shoe-less?

Just suppose the person was a man, "Shoeless Joe"?
 

Rusha

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If someone has no shoes and another buys the barefoot person a nice pair of shoes, would that person who had no shoes be grateful?

What if someone else buys the barefoot person, who now has good shoes, better, more expensive shoes. Now that the once shoe-less person wears the better shoes, would the person who first gave the shoe-less person, shoes feel a bit hurt?

It would depend on the motive and situation. A gift is only as valuable as the motive behind the giving.
 
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