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ffreeloader said:
Have you read chair's cited report? It speaks to the coagulability of the blood of someone given the vaccine. They won't tell you why the blood is being affected but the fact is this is most likely an immune response to being vaccinated while having blood borne viruses in their systems. Remember the nuns who died? They were all from the same institution, meaning they all had the same exposure to the same virus. This once again points to the danger of vaccinating someone who has the disease they are being vaccinated against. So, same strain of the disease and same response blood response from the patients.
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I downloaded the PDF and read about 2/3 of the way through it and didn't see anything than I was looking for so I threw the question back at chair
 
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chair

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Here doser. You want numbers-:

www.thelancet.com

Thromboembolism and the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine: side-effect or coincidence?

By mid March, 2021, vaccination against COVID-19 using the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) vaccine from Oxford–AstraZeneca1,2 was paused in a number of European countries due to reports of thromboembolic events in vaccinated individuals.3 According to the European Medicines Agency (EMA), 30 cases of...
www.thelancet.com

This is Astra Zeneca.
"According to the European Medicines Agency (EMA), 30 cases of thromboembolic events (predominantly venous) had been reported by March 10, 2021, among the approximately 5 million recipients of the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in the European Economic Area."

"In a population of 5 million people (ie, size matching the approximate number of people having received the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Europe by March 10, 2021), this incidence would correspond to approximately 169 expected cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 736 expected cases per month (if based on the incidence rate among the 18–99-year-old Danes). Similarly, if estimated based on the incidence rate among 18–64-year-old Danes, one would expect 91 cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 398 cases per month."

"Here, based on pre-pandemic incidence rates from the entire Danish population, we report that the number of venous thromboembolisms reported in relation to the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine does not seem to be increased beyond the expected incidence rate."

You can read the rest, and the appendix, yourself.

In the US, there have been 6 cases of thrombosis out of 7 million vaccinations with the J&J vaccine. I have not seen a peer reviewed paper on thsi yet, but you do the math.
 
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ffreeloader said:
Really? Your voice is the only valid one? That's laughable. I know of PHD's who have 20 to 30 years of vaccine design who disagree with you. I also know of PHD's that have 20,000 hours of vaccine research who disagree with you. You're just some anonymous guy on the internet who refuses to look at both sides of the question. I don't have any respect for that. That tells me you're nothing but an idealogue. A real scientist doesn't take his views and attitudes from the media.

You've quoted media reports that were obviously false. Is that something a PHD does? Your so-called credibility vanishes when you quote a media article saying there were months of animal trials done when the so-called vaccine was distributed in less than a year from it's design. Anyone who has any critical thinking skills and even a trace of knowledge about vaccine development would reject that article immediately. Not you. You quoted it as absolute truth. So, nah, you're just another left wing ideologue pushing the socialist agenda.

Do I believe you have a doctorate? Nope. You have shown no evidence of that at all.
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Frankly, I don't care what you believe, nor am I going to prove it to some nutcase who posts garbage on the internet. I do care that you may mislead others, which is why I keep correcting your foolish comments. Besides being plain wrong on so many issues, you are incapable of admitting when you are wrong. Remember PEG?
 
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chair said:
Do you have a point, besides badgering me?
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You need to be more stoic. Ok id's asking a valid question.

The bottom line is that this disease is not so bad that we must mandate masks, lockdowns, or vaccines. Mandating these things leads to more death, and I care about people so I try and inform people like you about the dangers of mandates like these.
 
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chair

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Yorzhik said:
You need to be more stoic. Ok id's asking a valid question.

The bottom line is that this disease is not so bad that we must mandate masks, lockdowns, or vaccines. Mandating these things leads to more death, and I care about people so I try and inform people like you about the dangers of mandates like these.
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The vaccine isn't dangerous and COVID is. And thanks for the psychological advice!
 
ok doser

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
chair said:
Here doser. You want numbers-:

www.thelancet.com

Thromboembolism and the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine: side-effect or coincidence?

By mid March, 2021, vaccination against COVID-19 using the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) vaccine from Oxford–AstraZeneca1,2 was paused in a number of European countries due to reports of thromboembolic events in vaccinated individuals.3 According to the European Medicines Agency (EMA), 30 cases of...
www.thelancet.com

This is Astra Zeneca.
"According to the European Medicines Agency (EMA), 30 cases of thromboembolic events (predominantly venous) had been reported by March 10, 2021, among the approximately 5 million recipients of the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in the European Economic Area."

"In a population of 5 million people (ie, size matching the approximate number of people having received the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in Europe by March 10, 2021), this incidence would correspond to approximately 169 expected cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 736 expected cases per month (if based on the incidence rate among the 18–99-year-old Danes). Similarly, if estimated based on the incidence rate among 18–64-year-old Danes, one would expect 91 cases of venous thromboembolism per week, or 398 cases per month."

"Here, based on pre-pandemic incidence rates from the entire Danish population, we report that the number of venous thromboembolisms reported in relation to the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine does not seem to be increased beyond the expected incidence rate."

You can read the rest, and the appendix, yourself.

In the US, there have been 6 cases of thrombosis out of 7 million vaccinations with the J&J vaccine. I have not seen a peer reviewed paper on thsi yet, but you do the math.
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Now, can you identify the statistical flaw in the data you cited?
 
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chair said:
why don't you enlighten us, professor?
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If you look at Denmark, most of the 65 population has already been vaccinated. If you look at the rest the population, the AZ vaccine is approching the same deadliness as the CCP virus you like locking people up for.

With other vaccines available, the ghetto viruses of AZ and JJ can go to third world countries if they want them.
 
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chair

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Meanwhile, back in reality, we will no longer be required to wear masks in outdoor public places, starting Sunday.
 
eider

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chair said:
I know that you have an alternate science.
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It is still a wonder, that some folks believe that wearing masks is more dangerous than not. Amazing.
Most humans do habitually touch their faces, chins, noses, eyes, mouth without even realising it. The classic pose of a person in thought can show us that without argument.
A mask prevents these contacts from taking place, especially if one wears specs, so the value of masks is immediately apparent before any other considerations. Now add to that...... wearing a mask tends to remind the wearer to keep to the other rules, keeping 6' away from others, cleaning hands after touching post or products in shops etc, and keeping to the lockdown and special isolations..... in fact I haven't seen anybody without a mask in any shop that I've visited in these last months. Walkers and shoppers go out of their way to give space to others, and nearly everybody acknowledges everyone else for such considerations, a thumbs up or a nod.

The idea that we are ordered to receive vaccinations is just untrue, I won't call that idea a lie because the people who chant this stuff can't have a clue about what we must do, or not.

Moaning is a British pastime, so by all means read the moans, but you would find the moaners wearing their masks, keeping distance, cleaning hands etc just like all the others. I think that the answers might be found by typing phrases such as 'religion against science' in to any search engines and then reading some of the responses. But over here we don't have too much trouble with that, because most of the Imams and rabbis are supporting government advice, and we don't have that many 'every-breath' Christians.
 
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