Universal Minimum Income
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The problem started when President Ronald Reagan began to eject the poor, homeless and mentally ill out of the institutions and programs to fend for themselves on our city streets.
Some of us were skeptical and alarmed at the time, but were advised to be quiet and let the authoritarian father figure and his selfish offspring do it his way.
The Jews of biblical times had a real solution.
Because of their life under periods of living under Pharaohs, Kings, military commanders and groups of people, they strove to build a society that would address the extreme physical and moral dislocations they felt:
1. Leave a portion of every harvest for the stranger, the immigrant, the poor and the homeless.
2.Mandate a certain period every so often when all land reverts back to its original owner or family.
3.Set a date to cancel all debts, public and private.
4.A Jew named Jesus extended these qualities into the environment he lived in.
5. 20 or 30 years later, a Jew named Paul supported little Christian communities to "hold all things in common."
Structural socialism can help.
Throwing money into crippled and corporate-run programs or local bureaucracy-heavy enterprises or praying for a free market solution do no good.
Programs like Housing First for the homeless brings a success rate of over 70% and saves millions.
Some of us were skeptical and alarmed at the time, but were advised to be quiet and let the authoritarian father figure and his selfish offspring do it his way.
The Jews of biblical times had a real solution.
Because of their life under periods of living under Pharaohs, Kings, military commanders and groups of people, they strove to build a society that would address the extreme physical and moral dislocations they felt:
1. Leave a portion of every harvest for the stranger, the immigrant, the poor and the homeless.
2.Mandate a certain period every so often when all land reverts back to its original owner or family.
3.Set a date to cancel all debts, public and private.
4.A Jew named Jesus extended these qualities into the environment he lived in.
5. 20 or 30 years later, a Jew named Paul supported little Christian communities to "hold all things in common."
Structural socialism can help.
Throwing money into crippled and corporate-run programs or local bureaucracy-heavy enterprises or praying for a free market solution do no good.
Programs like Housing First for the homeless brings a success rate of over 70% and saves millions.
It all saves money and helps us interact with the rest of us. It fosters community.
If others fear community with folks of different-color skin or different cultures, it is they who will complain the most. The trouble is, their political representatives can also harbor those same paranoid worries.
whitestone
Well-known member
It might be enough this month, but what about next month?
lol,yep for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. The amazing part to me is that if people are paid 24,000.00 a year and work for 20 years until retirement(why work past that if retirement is a fixed thing) then across their career they would almost gross 5 million dollars.
The punch line though is were trying to figure out how to help millionaires stay off food stamps and live comfortable.
When you say everyone should get $10 per hour, are you including China, India and all other third world countries?
9.6 percent of the world’s population in 2015 are living on $1.90 or less a day.
http://www.worldbank.org/en/publication/global-monitoring-report
I don't know how people can survive and work for so little. The equal of 10.00 hourly almost seems too low for a normal life in America, I can't imagine 1.90 avg.
I cannot comprehend this either, people in poverty tend to work long hours, the $1.90 per day is probably about twenty cents per hour.
I seem to remember Chinese workers being paid about 50 cents per hour to make Iphones. The price Apple charge their customers, just means someone has a few billion dollars pocket money.
That is the norm for corporations, private entities and capitalists (and communists if you count Red China--which follows both).
Jesus made most of his remarks to address poverty and income inequality in his day. He told us not to "worship God and mammon."
It's a significant percentage of the reason for a significant percentage of inventors.
whitestone
Well-known member
It wouldn't work in the U.S. at 1.90u.s. they could buy one can of potted meat@ .50, a small box of crackers .75 and one .25 pack of cool-aid,one piece of fruit @.30=1.80per day U.S.,,,leaving .10 per day times 30 days and you have a bag of sugar for the cool-aid.
It's the direct opposite of everyone making 5-20 million across their lives. In the U.S. you could maintain life,but nothing more on 1.90 a day,no,h.t.o.,gas,car,home,ect.ect. they would have to filter and boil water out of the rivers and streams.
On the other hand in the nations where they do only make 1.90 a day and they can buy a can of potted meat for a penny they could get 30 cans for .30. If all the other foods were also this cheap they could buy a months worth of groceries for a weeks salary,1.90x5 9.50-10.00 so they still have a bout 20.00 left across the month for rent,lights,gas for Vespa ect.
So because of the state of economy in the U.S. it would equal extreme poverty,while in other nations it is a comparable lifestyle to the same amount of good's we spend thousands of dollars on. Imagine .10 a gallon gas,penny loaves of bread and 4.00 light bills and at a 1.90 a day with a budget and one could save a fair retirement.
At the end the U.S. economy needs to,has to crumble. And while it is crumbling the economies in the other nations would need to rise to the same level ours crumbles to so that we pay the same price for the same can of potted meat as the rest of the world.
genuineoriginal
New member
And if hamburgers cost $2,400.00 each, you can eat one every 10 days.
:devil:
Are you saying that people who already make 24k or more wouldn't get anything from the gov't?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
obesity epidemic solved! :first:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
even lawyers, doctors, movie stars, sports stars?
This seems to be a major problem with this plan. How would you rein in inflation?
Another benefit is that people could pursue careers that aren't based solely on getting a livable wage. Artists wouldn't have to starve anymore.
Another benefit is that people could pursue careers that aren't based solely on getting a livable wage. Artists wouldn't have to starve anymore.
Some of them should be starving, to force them to drop it as a career. There is some really bad art out there.
PureX
Well-known member
Well, they would probably still starve, because they'd be spending their minimum allowance on materials. But at least they'd have that choice.Another benefit is that people could pursue careers that aren't based solely on getting a livable wage. Artists wouldn't have to starve anymore.