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Lazy afternoon said:
Paul never made such a false statement you made.

1Co 6:8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

LA
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Our salvation has nothing to do with how we behave Titus 3:4-7 KJV or what we were identified as when we were "in the flesh". Those of us who have trusted the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) are saved and no longer identified as such (Romans 8:8-9 KJV, 1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV).
 
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Epoisses said:
The Roman centurion rebukes your heresy. He had great faith and you have none.
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He had to go through the proper channel after being counted worthy of a blessing because of his love for their nation and building a synagogue. Is that what you have to do for a blessing? And why do you think it salvation? Is that what you had to do to be saved?
 
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Epoisses said:
Which if for Jews and Gentiles.
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Dispensationalists like this dolt split the body of Christ into two parts and build up the walls of separation that Christ and the apostles worked tirelessly to tear down.
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You don't know what you are talking about. And BTW, the wall of partition did not even exist until Acts 15! LOL

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal. 3:28,29
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That's a description of the Body of Christ that existed at the time (although by description still left us out Colossians 3:11 KJV) and in the Body of Christ there is no nationality. There certainly was and will be nationality in a holy nation of priests (1 Peter 2:9 KJV)!
Those who have Christ are the seed of Abraham! Praise Jesus!
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Not us (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV)!
 
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Epoisses said:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Rom. 1:16,17

Only one gospel. The Jews are saved the same way as the Gentiles. No kingdom gospel required.
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What is "the gospel of Christ"?
 
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Epoisses said:
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Acts. 15:7-9

Jews and Gentiles are both part of Peter's gospel.
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I asked you this before: What gospel did Peter preach to Corne's house? Go back and read Acts 10 and then come back and tell us what Peter preached to them! Then we will see if it matches the gospel that Paul preached. If it's not the same as Paul's gospel or can be shown to be different, you need to admit you are wrong as the scripture is always right.
 
Nang

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heir said:
What gospel did Peter preach to Corne's house?
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That the Person of Jesus Christ was the promised Savior from God.

Go back and read Acts 10 and then come back and tell us what Peter preached to them! Then we will see if it matches the gospel that Paul preached. If it's not the same as Paul's gospel or can be shown to be different, you need to admit you are wrong as the scripture is always right.
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Both Peter and Paul taught that Jesus was the Christ of God; promised from the beginning by God, to reconcile sinful men to God through sacrifice of His life to pay the wages of their sins.



You cannot deny this Truth, and still try to call yourself a Christian.
 
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Nang said:
That the Person of Jesus Christ was the promised Savior from God.



Both Peter and Paul taught that Jesus was the Christ of God; promised from the beginning by God, to reconcile sinful men to God through sacrifice of His life to pay the wages of their sins.



You cannot deny this Truth, and still try to call yourself a Christian.
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Peter preached,


Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


which is contrary to what Paul preached


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom:


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Peter delivers the murder indictment, but that God raised Christ up just as he preached in Acts 2 and 3


Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Acts 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.


And it's all about the name (Matthew 16:15-18 KJV, the book of John) and please notice that through His name whosoever believeth on Him shall receive remission of sins. That is consistent with the gospel of the kingdom.


Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


Peter's usual order of business was to deliver a murder indictment and preach a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and in so doing they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-38 KJV), but before he could finish his usual, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

They were astonished at what happens because it was out of order, but what does Peter do? He continues to preach what he knows and that's water baptism in the name of the Lord!

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Corne and his house heard what Peter preached, but there is no gospel of Christ preached there! And that is what Paul wrote in Romans is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV)! You are in rebellion against God in your flat out refusal to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!
 
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heir said:
Matthew 19:17 KJV, Matthew 24:13 KJV


1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV

Things that are different are not the same!
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Different quotes from a person, do not denote different persons.

Different scriptures revealing God Almighty, do not describe or purport different Gods . . But all describe The depths of the Truth of the one true God.
 
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heir said:
I don't care much for call out threads, but LA keeps interrupting conversations by closing threads so I opened this one. Nang wrote the following after I cited a verse to GM that answered his question concerning her and what I thought suited her quite well (shown below).

2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Over and over, Nang is shown scripture that is contrary to what she is saying and she resists the truth.


We can see from Nang's quote below that she completely missed the point of what I was trying to convey and the point of the passage. She put the focus on what Moses taught which is not the point, but about those that resist the truth. Here's the quote and here I can respond to Nang without interference from LA.

Nang writes:
Nang, there is no such thing as "one, true Gospel of Jesus Christ". There are many gospels in the Bible and they are all true. To which gospel are you referring? Since you believe that Moses, as you say, "proclaimed the one, true Gospel of Jesus Christ too", please show us all by the scriptures where Moses preached the righteousness of God without the law, even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe (Romans 3:21-22 KJV) that is revealed in the gospel of Christ (Romans 1:16-17 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) as Paul preached?

And as to my telling you that the gospel of your salvation is not found in Luke, or Matthew, Mark, John for that matter! It was a mystery until revealed to and though the apostle Paul (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV, Galatians 1:11-12 KJV) you replied with nothing, but the same ole emotional upheaval we are all so used to

The gospel that is the power of God to save was given to the apostle Paul by revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV). That does not make it the same gospel that was preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. Paul explained why it was a mystery as I showed you by the scripture, but again you resist the truth.

You also said:

to which I responded, "Disagreeing with you is NOT to declare God a liar, just you!" and here you come again,

The gospel the Lord preached in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 4:23 KJV). It is not the gospel of our salvation and we aren't the "His people" there (Matthew 15:24 KJV, John 4:22 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV). Here we are then, in time past (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV). So what is the gospel of your salvation?
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Nang said:
Different quotes from a person, do not denote different persons.

Different scriptures revealing God Almighty, do not describe or purport different Gods . . But all describe The depths of the Truth of the one true God.
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We were never told that we must endure to the end to be saved! We are saved the moment we trust the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation! You can't make those the same no matter how hard you try!
 
Nang

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heir said:
Peter preached,


Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


which is contrary to what Paul preached


Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;


Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom:


Acts 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Peter delivers the murder indictment, but that God raised Christ up just as he preached in Acts 2 and 3


Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Acts 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.


And it's all about the name (Matthew 16:15-18 KJV, the book of John) and please notice that through His name whosoever believeth on Him shall receive remission of sins. That is consistent with the gospel of the kingdom.


Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.


Peter's usual order of business was to deliver a murder indictment and preach a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins and in so doing they shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-38 KJV), but before he could finish his usual, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

They were astonished at what happens because it was out of order, but what does Peter do? He continues to preach what he knows and that's water baptism in the name of the Lord!

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.


Corne and his house heard what Peter preached, but there is no gospel of Christ preached there! And that is what Paul wrote in Romans is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV)! You are in rebellion against God in your flat out refusal to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV!
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If you do not see and cannot see the Gospel of Christ proclaimed by Peter in Acts 10, then it is strong evidence you are not spiritually regenerated to new life in Him.
 
Nang

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heir said:
We were never told that we must endure to the end to be saved!
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Agreed. The Reformers teach that all regenerated saints WILL endure to the end, by the preserving protection of the Holy Spirt of God and His saving grace, alone.

We are saved the moment we trust the Lord after hearing and believing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation!
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Agreed . . And we are kept "saved" by the same power of grace from God that resurrected us to new life.
 
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Epoisses said:
The new nation is called the church which you are slowly divorcing yourself from. What passes for church nowadays is debatable. Rejecting or perverting the gospel was the highest sin in the early church so you figure it out.
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The BOC is not called a nation/ethnos.

I have been baptized by one Spirit into one body and have been sealed by the Spirit, upon belief, unto the future day of redemption.

What gospel were you saved by?
 
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