Jerry Shugart
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And so the Apostles, including John and Peter, agreed with Paul on the the issue in Acts 15 and did not endorse separation theology. Much later the dispensationalists created a separation theology by separating "All Israel,"of the physical bloodline from the Church.
northwye4877484 said:Dispensationalists, maybe knowing that there may have been conflicts between the Jewish and Gentile Christians in Rome, may be using this opportunity to interpret Romans 11: 25-26 as meaning "All Israel," refers to ethnic Israel as a whole and cannot refer to Israel as all who are the elect of God.
While, prior to the Cross, the requirement is that a Jew believe that He is Israel's Prophesied Christ, John 5 & 8.
Would you say he was the Christ before his D,B&R?
Yes, he had a ministry to both the Jews and the Gentiles(Acts 9:15).
There is only one good news and both who Christ was, and what He did, is all a part of the same Gospel message.
LA
That's more like it pops
Paul ONLY preached The Grace Gospel. To the Jew first and then to the Gentiles. Christ during His earthly ministry preached The Kingdom Gospel to The House of Israel alone. His Disciples continued to preach that Gospel after Christ died and was resurrected/ascended. Paul was chosen to be The Apostle to the Gentiles. Paul taught The Grace Gospel only.
Acts 13:46 "Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles."
So Paul was preaching the grace gospel to the Jews here?:
"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God...proving that this is the very Christ" (Acts 9:20,22).
That was the same gospel which Paul continued to preach to the Jews: " Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ" (Acts 17:1-2,30).
Can you give me even one instance where we can see Paul preaching the gospel of grace to anyone in the synagogues?
So Paul was preaching the grace gospel to the Jews here?:
"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God...proving that this is the very Christ" (Acts 9:20,22).
That was the same gospel which Paul continued to preach to the Jews: " Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ" (Acts 17:1-2,30).
Can you give me even one instance where we can see Paul preaching the gospel of grace to anyone in the synagogues?
That's more like it pops
Can you show, where he didn't? Paul, on the road to Damasus, was met by the ascended Lord Jesus Christ. Subsequently, Paul was given The Grace Gospel.
Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Why then does he later REMIND THEM of things like the following...
1 Thessalonians 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
That is wrong.
Not long after Paul was converted on the Damascus road he preached the following message to the Jews:
"And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.....proving that this is the very Christ" (Acts 9:20,22).
At that time Paul had not yet received the gospel which he was to preach among the Gentiles. He wrote the following:
"But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus" (Gal.1:15-17).
When Paul received the gospel which he preached among the Gentiles he went immediately into Arabia. But when Paul received a gospel around the time he was converted on the Damascus road he immediately went to Damascus (Acts 9:6-8). That can only mean that the gospel which he preached immediately after he was converted on the Damascus road was not the "gospel of grace."
Now please allow me to ask you a question. When the "gospel of the circumcision"(Gal.2:7) was preached what was said?
Thanks!
You're too stubborn and set in your ways. You'll just go on arguing until "The Cows come Home." I'll just let you chat with someone else. I have little tolerance for posters such as yourself. Know what I mean?
I'll ask you one last question Jerry Shugart. Did Paul preach "The Kingdom Gospel" before he started to preach The Grace Gospel?
Jerry Shugart; Now please allow me to ask you a question. When the "gospel of the circumcision"(Gal.2:7) was preached what was said? Thanks![/QUOTE said:Hi Hi and Gal 2:7 proves that there are two SEP;ARATE Gospels !!
In verse 6 , what the disciples of Jesus could NOT add any thing to Paul's message !!
But in verse 7 they saw that Paul had been ENTRUSTED with the Gospel of the Un-circumcision------ just as Peter (was ) of the Circumcision !!
The Un-circumcision , means Gentiles !!
The Circumcision means the Jews !!
Also NOTICE that the Greek Article ( THE ) is used " THE GOSPEL OF THE UNCIRCUMSISION which spaeks to ONLY to the Gospel of the Grace of God !!
Then Just as Peter ( was ) of THE CIRCUMCISION !!
The Greek ARTICLE ( THE ) points in each a SPECIFIC GOSPEL !!
Also notice the Greek does not say the that Peter's message in verse 7 is NOT called a Gospel , why is that Jerry , and do you know WHY ??
Thsi mmeans that there are also 2 ways to be SAVED , under the Law Acts 2:38 !!
The other by Paul's MYSTERY in Rom 16:25 and 26 and Col 1:25 and 26 , which you do NOT understand !!
So , how was Paul SAVED in Acts 9:6 ??
You do not KNOW , do you ??
dan p
So , how was Paul SAVED in Acts 9:6 ??
You do not KNOW , do you ??
All men are saved on the same principle, whether they be under the law or not. And that way is by grace through faith:
"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
Do you believe that, Dan?