Trump Makes His Way Back to the Lead in Poll

[ok doser]

Are you like that moron who always goes on MSNBC who says that 20 Trillion dollars of debt is no biggie? Here's a tip Einstein, if you have a debt you cannot pay - and we do - then you are Bankrupt. Maybe not "officially" yet but we are. We cannot pay our debt and we cannot pay our monthly bills. We are Like a man who sees a train about to hit him, he is dead, not quite yet, but he is dead none the less.

Now, back to the topic:

cnn - another one i've heard of :thumb:

 

[patrick jane]

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As to the polling. FiveThirtyEight has Trump taking Ohio too, though not Florida. It's a real horse race. I think PJ is right to be excited about the debates. They may have a real impact on the election.

Maybe Hillary can keep from coughing up a lung and falling down all over the stage !! :chuckle:

 

[Town Heretic]

Maybe Hillary can keep from coughing up a lung and falling down all over the stage !! :chuckle:

Nothing funnier than illness in an election cycle. lain: Almost, but not quite as funny as conservatives touting a CNN anything.

 

[patrick jane]

Nothing funnier than illness in an election cycle. lain: Almost, but not quite as funny as conservatives touting a CNN anything.

Yeah, that's all it is . . a mild illness

 

[patrick jane]

Tim Kaine looks like a dirty old man with bad teeth !

 

[Town Heretic]

Yeah, that's all it is . . a mild illness

Pneumonia can be serious at any age. It's rarely fatal though, or particularly funny.

If you really think your guy is going to win, all the more reason to aim higher. You know what I think about both candidates, but I don't wish ill on either and I believe the process will be a better one if people approach it that way.

 

[ok doser]

Yeah, that's all it is . . a mild illness

hardly worth mentioning

 

[Nick M]

 

[ok doser]

:mock:bernie

 

[ClimateSanity]

But if a city with a democratic administration uses the law...

lain:



So he's one up on you.

Socialist policies lead to bankruptcy and failure. Using bankruptcy law as a tool to improve the economy doesn't justify the socialist policies that caused the bankruptcy.

 

[ClimateSanity]

No, we aren't and haven't been. Are we going to discuss prevailing economic theory are is this just more along the lines of chit-chat?

What do you call it when you don't have enough money to cover promised outlays without raising taxes or inflating the money supply or keeping interest rates artificially low? What do you call it when you cannot raise interest rates without making payments on the debt greater than GDP?

 

[Town Heretic]

Socialist policies lead to bankruptcy and failure.

Too general. A socialist government has its share of problems, to be sure. Not my personal choice. I favor intelligently regulated capitalism, but the point wasn't to promote socialism, only to recognize the disparate examination of the same action, the influence of bias on how some people distinguish.

Using bankruptcy law as a tool to improve the economy doesn't justify the socialist policies that caused the bankruptcy.

I don't agree with the idea that social policies are the root of our problems.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

.....Next time you decide to condescend.....

I condescend because you make it so easy, because you say absolutely stupid and ignorant things.

You said, "Debt is inevitable when you have a government our size." BUT, just as in post #286 where you failed to see the difference between good use of law and bad use of law, here you failed to see the difference between acceptable debt and insanely destructive debt, and $20 Trillion of debt is insanely destructive debt. So, as usual, you are an idiot.

Folks, if you are a family man and you have maybe a mortgage on a small home and a couple of credit cards with a few hundred buck on them, that's fine, that's acceptable.

BUT: If you have to make out ten credit cards to pay your bills, then next month you have to take out 12 new credit cards and max them out to pay your last bills, then the NEXT month you have to take out 15 new credit cards and max them out to pay THOSE last bills, then you are on a death spiral.

We are on the death spiral, and this blithering imbecile TH thinks that's normal. Its no wonder he voted for Obama.

In a few years out INTEREST PAYMENT ALONE on the debt will exceed what we spend on the military!! Think about that. TH is happy to whistle as he steps into his grave. INTELLIGENT people, i.e. Trump voters, are NOT!

 

[gcthomas]

CC - I don't think any real economists treat national debt as the same as personal debt. If a nation isn't in debt then it hasn't properly leveraged it promises of future income and growth. Loans allow you to spend and benefit now from income expected in the future, as money and the associated growth in the future is less valuable than money and growth now. National debt, even in the trillions, is not an issue as long as lenders think you are theoretically going to be able to pay it back.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

CC - I don't think any real economists treat national debt as the same as personal debt. If a nation isn't in debt then it hasn't properly leveraged it promises of future income and growth. Loans allow you to spend and benefit now from income expected in the future, as money and the associated growth in the future is less valuable than money and growth now. National debt, even in the trillions, is not an issue as long as lenders think you are theoretically going to be able to pay it back.

You make a fair point, but be that as it may, national debt too can reach a destructive point. Just look at Greece. I don't think most people really stop to ponder the meaning of the 20 Trillion figure. Its almost like pondering the word "infinity", something so big that you say to yourself its huge and leave it at that. We are on the edge of Armageddon, financially speaking, and nobody wants to tell the emperor he has no clothes. When this finally hits the fan, the Great Depression (the real one, not the fake Bush one) will be nothing compared to what will happen this time. People are not made of the same "stuff" they were in the 1930's. How will the iPod generation react to tent cities and soup lines? We are one the edge of true financial destruction, and you have pinheads like TH running around saying its all normal business as usual.

 

[Nick M]

Trump +6

 

[gcthomas]

You make a fair point, but be that as it may, national debt too can reach a destructive point. Just look at Greece.

Greece has a lower debt-to-population ratio than the UK, so why did Greece struggle so much and the UK hasn't? It was, afaiu, that Greece was unable to govern itself effectively and convince creditors that it could pay its debt interest. Greece suffered with endemic corruption in its civil service and the population treated tax evasion as a national pastime, so lenders didn't trust them, so it wasn't so much the size of the debt, but government financial incompetence.

 

[ClimateSanity]

Too general. A socialist government has its share of problems, to be sure. Not my personal choice. I favor intelligently regulated capitalism, but the point wasn't to promote socialism, only to recognize the disparate examination of the same action, the influence of bias on how some people distinguish.


I don't agree with the idea that social policies are the root of our problems.

I didn't say social policies are the root of our problem; socialist policies are.

The more socialist policies are in place, the more likely economic problems will occur. I didn't say socialist government either although cities like Detroit are close. What do all the inner cities of major cities have in common? They have been run by Democrats . Those Democrats have enacted socialist policies to a high degree . Most of them are either in bankruptcy or depend heavily on federal support.

I realize correlation is not causation but what else would you attribute to these cities decline when other cities who enact much less socialist policies are in much better shape?

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Greece has a lower debt-to-population ratio than the UK, so why did Greece struggle so much and the UK hasn't? It was, afaiu, that Greece was unable to govern itself effectively and convince creditors that it could pay its debt interest. Greece suffered with endemic corruption in its civil service and the population treated tax evasion as a national pastime, so lenders didn't trust them, so it wasn't so much the size of the debt, but government financial incompetence.

And we will get there soon too. Remember, under Obama we had our first credit downgrade in American history. (How soon we forget.) That's a prelude. And as for corruption? No entity is more corrupt than American government.

 

[gcthomas]

I didn't say social policies are the root of our problem; socialist policies are.

The more socialist policies are in place, the more likely economic problems will occur. I didn't say socialist government either although cities like Detroit are close. What do all the inner cities of major cities have in common? They have been run by Democrats . Those Democrats have enacted socialist policies to a high degree . Most of them are either in bankruptcy or depend heavily on federal support.

I realize correlation is not causation but what else would you attribute to these cities decline when other cities who enact much less socialist policies are in much better shape?

Haven't you noticed that inner cities the world over are similar in their demographics, whether run by the left or the right?

I think you have cause and effect the wrong way around, and that it is the presence of massive deprivation in the absence of major infrastructure investments that makes the costs of running city centres higher that middle class suburbs.