Torture Christians!!!

[Nathon Detroit]

I'm a fool, not an idiot
can't answer the question?

Uh.... what would be the point?

Anytime I ask you something you simply ask another question. Wild goose chases are for gooses and frankly I find them to be fowl.

 

[fool]

Heh, fool just got SMACKED!

Knight just resorted to insults cause he had no arguement.
and you can bring your melon up here any time you want to find out the meaning of SMACKED

 

[kmoney]

Yet that would only indicate they (Islamic nations) are not respecting their "holy" instruction, correct?

Knight,

You may be right. I'm not sure how they would reconcile that. There might be context to those commands that we aren't taking into account.

Kevin

 

[fool]

Uh.... what would be the point?

Anytime I ask you something you simply ask another question. Wild goose chases are for gooses and frankly I find them to be fowl.

It goes that way because you claim to have the answers and I am a fool looking for them.

 

[Mr. 5020]

Knight just resorted to insults cause he had no arguement.
and you can bring your melon up here any time you want to find out the meaning of SMACKED

Oh, I'm shacking in my chanclas (joke referring to my Hispanic ethnicity).

I was referring to the fact that Knight asked you a question earlier, and you had no answer, so you dodged it.

 

[fool]

Oh, I'm shacking in my chanclas (joke referring to my Hispanic ethnicity).

I was referring to the fact that Knight asked you a question earlier, and you had no answer, so you dodged it.

He had no answer so he resulted to insults
And you are a stooge that skitters around his heels.

 

[Freak]

Despite the Koran saying this, history has shown that Christians and non-Muslims have lived under Muslim ruled while not being forced to practice Islam. Granted, the non-muslims were, for the most part, second class citizens, but it is far from Muslims slaying them all.

Kevin

Read & reply.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/050605nigeria.asp

 

[fool]

Read & reply.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/050605nigeria.asp

That's what happens when people put God in charge

 

[Freak]

That's what happens when people put God in charge

This is what happens when Allah-the demon god is put in control.

Vabone Lumwa is a Christian living in Nigeria’s plateau state. He and a few of his Christian friends were working on a farm when 400 heavily-armed Muslims, claiming to be agents of Bin Laden, launched an attack last summer on the city of Yelwa.

Lumwa said that “first they tried to hit me with a machete on my neck. When they realized that did not kill me they tried to choke me by sticking a knife in my throat. When the men realized that did not kill me either, they went for my eyes.”

His doctor explains what happened next: “They thrust a sharp object into his eyes and gorged his eyes out. And as you can see his eye ball has completely collapsed. There's nothing in the other eye either, he is blinded for life.”

Vabone's friend, in the next bed over, is still recovering from his injuries. The doctor said that they slit his trachea open with a sword. And though it “is gradually healing… he is still leaking air from here. His hands were also struck with the sword and so too his neck and the side of his face.”

Months after the attack, the towns and villages in and around Yelwa are still empty. Burned cars and shops left as a reminder of that day's bloody attack. Reports say 80 percent of the homes in Yelwa were also destroyed.

 

[fool]

This is what happens when Allah-the demon god is put in control.

Vabone Lumwa is a Christian living in Nigeria’s plateau state. He and a few of his Christian friends were working on a farm when 400 heavily-armed Muslims, claiming to be agents of Bin Laden, launched an attack last summer on the city of Yelwa.

Lumwa said that “first they tried to hit me with a machete on my neck. When they realized that did not kill me they tried to choke me by sticking a knife in my throat. When the men realized that did not kill me either, they went for my eyes.”

His doctor explains what happened next: “They thrust a sharp object into his eyes and gorged his eyes out. And as you can see his eye ball has completely collapsed. There's nothing in the other eye either, he is blinded for life.”

Vabone's friend, in the next bed over, is still recovering from his injuries. The doctor said that they slit his trachea open with a sword. And though it “is gradually healing… he is still leaking air from here. His hands were also struck with the sword and so too his neck and the side of his face.”

Months after the attack, the towns and villages in and around Yelwa are still empty. Burned cars and shops left as a reminder of that day's bloody attack. Reports say 80 percent of the homes in Yelwa were also destroyed.

I read the article
My point still stands
those people thought they were doing God's will
Just as you think you are when you kill a homo
You are one step away from being them Freak

 

[Freak]

I read the article
My point still stands
those people thought they were doing God's will
Just as you think you are when you kill a homo

Are you a homosexual?

 

[fool]

Are you a homosexual?

No.
What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Balder]

This kind of religion propagates hatred and tries to disguise it as love. It's just sick.

Truly a misuse of religion. But not a misuse that is exclusive to Islam, by any means.

For instance, they think it is okay to kill Christians wherever they are found. Naturally, that's outrageous. And yet, Christians will often readily defend genocide carried out in YHWH's name in the Old Testament, and not feel a trace of hypocrisy...

 

[kmoney]

Read & reply.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/CWN/050605nigeria.asp

Freak,

That doesn't negate what I said. In the past non-Muslims have lived in a peacable way until Islamic rule.
If you read what I said to Knight I did say that it could be true that those Muslims allowing non-Muslims to live after they wouldn't convert is in disobedience to Allah.

Kevin

 

[Freak]

Freak,

That doesn't negate what I said. In the past non-Muslims have lived in a peacable way until Islamic rule.
If you read what I said to Knight I did say that it could be true that those Muslims allowing non-Muslims to live after they wouldn't convert is in disobedience to Allah.

Kevin

Is it true you denounce Islam as a religion of "peace?"

 

[avatar382]

What a rare and insightful comment........

Well, do you disagree? Do you believe that Allah exists?

 

[avatar382]

Please comment on the first post. The concern I have for their hatred for Christians?

I believe that in general, Islam, like Christianity, is a religion of peace. After all, they both have the same origin - Abraham.

You have zealots and violent people on both sides, but that has little to do with the religion, just human nature. There are psychos in every belief system.

And in regard to the violent verses in the Quran:

"...But God will smash the heads of his enemies, crushing the skulls. The Lord says, "I will bring my enemies down from Bashan; I will bring them up from the depths of the sea. You, my people, will wash your feet in their blood, and even your dogs will get their share!" (Psalms 68:21-23 NLT)

"So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: "I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes." (Jeremiah 11:22-23 NLT)

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers." (Jeremiah 51:20)

Before you tell me that these are taken out of context, consider that the Quran verses in your post are out of context as well.

 

[Granite]

When I see a thread like this I think of the real heinous stuff in the Bible.

I mean, tit for tat, folks. Who here wants to listen to passages about donkey sex organs, burning women alive, cutting their hands off, slaughtering infants, gang rape, castration, and wholesale murder?

Anybody?

If you're gonna gun for the Koran at least be ready for somebody to make it an equal opportunity event...

 

[kmoney]

Is it true you denounce Islam as a religion of "peace?"

I haven't read enough of the Koran to give you an informed answer. Obviously there is much violence in the world from Muslims, but they might just be extremists that aren't following true Islam. So, I don't know if I think it is a religion of peace.

Kevin

 

[Ayura]

Fight and slay the pagans (that would be Christians who hate their false god) wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).

Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: “Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60). Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah” (Sura 8:12, 17).

What a beautiful religion we have in Islam. :vomit: :vomit: :vomit:

These are infamous verses found commonly amongst the anti-islamic agenda of certain websites. Let me present to you - the truth!!!

Lets take it Sura by Sura shall we?

Sura 9:5, you claim it is:

Fight and slay the pagans (that would be Christians who hate their false god) wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

I will post the previous and advanced verses of this.

009.004
YUSUFALI: (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
PICKTHAL: Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
SHAKIR: Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

009.005
YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

009.006
YUSUFALI: If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.
PICKTHAL: And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
SHAKIR: And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

Tell me where the violence is? Also, all this is refering to people who "become your enemy" For the people who oppose you. You are taking verses from anti-islamic websites without a clue in the world if they are correct or not.


Next Sura...Sura 2:190

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah

Hahahaha...don't make me laugh. Not only have you clearly demonstrated that you have missed words out on purpose with the full stops, you also didn't even post the correct verse. Silly boy :kookoo:

This is the verse:

002.190
YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

Let me make this part bold: BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS. It is telling us to fight against those who fight us, but not go over the top. Where is the violence?


You posted this Sura 8:60:

Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: “Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60)

Let's find out if this is true...

008.060
YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
PICKTHAL: Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
SHAKIR: And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.

Now, lets look at the next Ayaat Surah 8:61:

008.061
YUSUFALI: But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
PICKTHAL: And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
SHAKIR: And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Look at what it is saying. It is telling us to act justly. JUSTLY!!!

Next Sura, Sura 8:12

Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah” (Sura 8:12, 17).

This is the verse:

008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.
SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

This is talking about what to do against your enemy. The whole of Sura 8 (The spoils of war) is telling us what to do against people who oppose you and become your enemy in war.


Always check the verses you find on the internet on www.quran.net and find out if what you are reading is correct.



I also want you ask you this? Why have you believed such things without checking the true information? I wouldn't put faith and trust into a bunch of anti-christians, so why do you do the same - without even checking with muslims if what they say is true?

It is almost as if you want a reason to hate muslims. That you only want to hate muslims.