Tongue Speaking

[Totton Linnet]

Many cults speak in tongues. It is showy and has no value. We have the full revelation of Jesus and his Gospel in the New Testament, no tongues needed.

Jesus did not give anything at any time that was showy and of no value, the apostle Paul never engaged in anything that was showy and of no value.

We do not have the full revelation of Christ and His gospel....we have the whole, we have Christ but the revelation is from faith to faith from glory to glory....

...in the new testament....yes that is where we got it from

 

[Totton Linnet]

Speaking gibberish.

You speak gibberish in english

 

[Totton Linnet]

In the assembly this is true.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Nope - tongues were for a sign to 1st Century Israel that God was now among the Gentiles.

This, both toward provoking inbelieving Israe to jealousy that He might still save some even as Israel diminished away, as well as for a witness against them as to why they were diminishing away in importance.

Acts being both a record of the fall of Israel, and of salvation going to the Gentiles.

It is best to follow Paul, he said tongues with interpretation is for edifying the body of Christ.

 

[jamie]

It is best to follow Paul, he said tongues with interpretation is for edifying the body of Christ.

The word "tongues" is referring to languages.

And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together and were confused because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
(Acts 2:5-12)​

 

[Interplanner]

In Corinth, and only there, there was some other kind of phenomenon which needed interp. Sometimes what happened didn't even get that far, it was just an immediate ecstasy about God, non-verbal. Paul didn't think much of it, but didn't blow it out of the water.

He did finally come back to this: that there was a sign to Israel in tongues that the mission of God had come. Jews would see/hear this sign when they heard their own speaking other languages so that the message of that mission could get to the nations. That's why almost the last thing Paul does in I Cor 14 is to quote the Isaiah passage on this. That is the mission-oriented tongues that was a sign of the activity of the mission, not the private ecstasy that only occurred in Corinth for unknown reasons.

 

[jamie]

In Corinth, and only there, there was some other kind of phenomenon which needed interp. Sometimes what happened didn't even get that far, it was just an immediate ecstasy about God, non-verbal. Paul didn't think much of it, but didn't blow it out of the water.

Corinth was a port city. Guests were invited to speak, but if they spoke a language that the congregation did not understand then there needed to be an interpretation of what was being said or no one would be edified, which was the purpose of speaking.

The word "tongues" means languages. (Revelation 7:9)

 

[God's Truth]

In Corinth, and only there, there was some other kind of phenomenon which needed interp. Sometimes what happened didn't even get that far, it was just an immediate ecstasy about God, non-verbal. Paul didn't think much of it, but didn't blow it out of the water.

He did finally come back to this: that there was a sign to Israel in tongues that the mission of God had come. Jews would see/hear this sign when they heard their own speaking other languages so that the message of that mission could get to the nations. That's why almost the last thing Paul does in I Cor 14 is to quote the Isaiah passage on this. That is the mission-oriented tongues that was a sign of the activity of the mission, not the private ecstasy that only occurred in Corinth for unknown reasons.

The speaking of tongues was a sign to the Jews, during the laying of the foundation, but tongues stopped after the sign was given and after the foundation was laid. When a person was given the gift of tongues, the gift was not taken away just because there wasn't a Jew around. Paul explained the proper way to handle tongues.

 

[God's Truth]

The bible says that tongues are a sign to unbelievers. It doesn't say anything about a "foundation."

The New Testament is of very special times, to say the least. God through Jesus Christ gives salvation to us, and God testified to the gospel message by the miraculous signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will (Hebrews 2:4; and Acts 14:3).

The gift of tongues is a gift, a sign given, during the laying of the foundation of the church, but the foundation has since been laid (Eph 2:20), so the use for a sign has been given and no longer needed.God already testified to His WORD.

 

[Interplanner]

The speaking of tongues was a sign to the Jews, during the laying of the foundation, but tongues stopped after the sign was given and after the foundation was laid. When a person was given the gift of tongues, the gift was not taken away just because there wasn't a Jew around. Paul explained the proper way to handle tongues.

There are still two unrelated things going on: Corinth's ecstatic glossolalia, and what happened at Pentecost. What happened at Pentecost is what Isaiah was talking about, and a small version happens in ch 9 Cornelius and even smaller in 19. That's it. Paul wrapped by saying that Jews had to be present and see believers speak in other known languages and speak the Gospel and it was to motivate uninvolved Jews to realize that the mission was underway, and to join it.

 

[God's Truth]

There are still two unrelated things going on: Corinth's ecstatic glossolalia, and what happened at Pentecost. What happened at Pentecost is what Isaiah was talking about, and a small version happens in ch 9 Cornelius and even smaller in 19. That's it. Paul wrapped by saying that Jews had to be present and see believers speak in other known languages and speak the Gospel and it was to motivate uninvolved Jews to realize that the mission was underway, and to join it.

Right...but just because a Jew was not around...it did NOT mean a person was not speaking real tongues.

However, Paul says it is worthless if no one is around who does not understand...that is why he says to ask for interpretation.

 

[Interplanner]

Glossolalia is not what happened at Pentecost, either in vocabulary or in objective details. He never called what happened at Pentecost a manifestation of childishness! And he is not interested in feeding it.

What Isaiah was talking about required a Jew to be there to see it happen, to know that the mission was underway. Because God wanted all of them to join the mission, to be missionaries to the whole world. That's why Christ had at least 221 ready to go when he ascended in Acts 1. (70 x 3 + 11)

 

[Totton Linnet]

The word "tongues" is referring to languages.

And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together and were confused because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
(Acts 2:5-12)​

Is this the only mention of tongues in the NT? what did Paul teach about it?

 

[God's Truth]

Glossolalia is not what happened at Pentecost, either in vocabulary or in objective details. He never called what happened at Pentecost a manifestation of childishness! And he is not interested in feeding it.

What Isaiah was talking about required a Jew to be there to see it happen, to know that the mission was underway. Because God wanted all of them to join the mission, to be missionaries to the whole world. That's why Christ had at least 221 ready to go when he ascended in Acts 1. (70 x 3 + 11)

Who thinks what happened at Pentecost was glossolalia?

It wasn't glossolalia at Corinth either.

 

[Totton Linnet]

The word "tongues" is referring to languages.

And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together and were confused because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.”

So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
(Acts 2:5-12)​

That does not cut it

 

[Interplanner]

Who thinks what happened at Pentecost was glossolalia?

It wasn't glossolalia at Corinth either.

It was; it is the term used. I never said Pentecost was glossolalia; do you have this problem when you read Scripture as well?

You would not need to know Greek to know that actual languages were involved at Pentecost, but not always at Corinth.

 

[jamie]

You would not need to know Greek to know that actual languages were involved at Pentecost, but not always at Corinth.

What was involved at Corinth?

 

[serpentdove]

1 Co 14:39

 

[jamie]

1 Co 14:39

So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. (1 Corinthians 14:9-11)​

 

[serpentdove]

...[H]ow will it be known what is spoken?

There should be an interpreter (1 Cor. 14:27, 28).

As a reminder Jamie is number 18 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib: