Actually Exxon has the highest total amount of profit ever recorded. Just because the profit margin appears low doesn't mean that ultimately they aren't reaping huge profits, which the american people help underwrite!
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Actually Exxon has the highest total amount of profit ever recorded. Just because the profit margin appears low doesn't mean that ultimately they aren't reaping huge profits, which the american people help underwrite!
PureX
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Well, that they're making huge amounts of money by price-gouging, and that it's coming out of all the rest of our pockets?
That they've become SO greedy that they actually threaten the rest of the economy with their inflated gas prices?
That they use money from their massive profits to buy politicians who they know will discourage any investment in any forms of alternative energy even though our dependance on oil poses a serious threat to us as a nation?
That in spite of all their massive profits they still can't manage to follow basic safety protocols and so have seriously damaged a huge area of the Earth?
That with all those massive profits they still won't build any new refineries because they don't want to increase the availability of gasoline in the North American market?
It's not about them making money. It's about them price gouging, threatening the economy, weakening the country's security, poisoning the environment, and perverting the government.
But, they're paying you a good buck, so all this other stuff doesn't matter. Right?
A number of corporations spend more in lobbying than they do in taxes...I believe GE is one of the main culprits.
MrDeets
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They are reaping huge profits. So are cigarette companies, brewers, big pharm, and investment firms.
Do you have a problem with people making lots of money?
So stop buying gas, then. You can protest if you hate it so much.
They don't inflate them any more than any number of other companies/industries. Your commy government could inact changes that would drop gas prices in DAYS.
MMMM, yes, because its so obvious our government is overrun with folks who support the oil and gas industry. If comrade obama gets the re-election you'll see his support. Do you read the news, or do you spend all day in your backyard with your arms wrapped around a big ole' conifer?
Again, please enlighten me- can you describe the basic process of drilling a land or an off shore well without consulting any search engines? Drilling wells is no safe or simple feat. As I stated earlier, government regulation has played a MASSIVE part in highly experienced hands leaving the oilfield, leaving us stacked with inexperienced hands. The safety protocalls that are in place, or are ignored STILL can't keep accidents from happening.
Incorrect. They stopped building refineries because big oil in the late 70's thought we'd be out by now, and that the cost of the refineries would not have been covered by that time. AND GUESS WHAT? They're still drilling and finding new fields/zones!!! There will be more refineries when the government lets us do our job.
It sure seems like it.
Again, price gouging- really? Oil is a natural commodoty like gold. It's price is set by supply and demand. If you don't like it, quit buying it. And second, I would bet I pay more taxes and give more to help those in need both in dollar amounts and in percentage than you, so I think I'm helping the economy....
All baseless claims....:blabla: until you prove or attempt to.
Who does more damage overall, in your opinion? Big Pharm or big oil?
First- I'm no liberal. I earn my paycheck, its not given to me. Second- yes it matters that oil spills hurt the enviornment and people. Yes, it sucks that people are too lazy to come get some of these paychecks. We can't find enough hard working people who will stick out here. They're all a bunch of punk kids/adults who are only here for a check they figure someone owes them anyway.
Thats what makes me sick about many liberals. They HATE profit, because most profit comes from hard work.
They are reaping huge profits. So are cigarette companies, brewers, big pharm, and investment firms. Do you have a problem with people making lots of money?
Then please remember to ask anyone who complains about the economy if they have a problem with people making lots of money...even though it may be at their expense. Exxon makes the greatest profit in history and it is Ok if the struggling american people help subsidize them! Corporate exec's make about 300 times the average worker whereas it had been about 30 times in the 70's or 80's. That's right corporate profits are at the highest level, too bad the money doesn't "trickle" down. Odd that republicans, and further Christians, are so supportive of a party protecting such obvious greed at the expense of so many hard working americans.
Then please remember to ask anyone who complains about the economy if they have a problem with people making lots of money...even though it may be at their expense. Exxon makes the greatest profit in history and it is Ok if the struggling american people help subsidize them! Corporate exec's make about 300 times the average worker whereas it had been about 30 times in the 70's or 80's. That's right corporate profits are at the highest level, too bad the money doesn't "trickle" down. Odd that republicans, and further Christians, are so supportive of a party protecting such obvious greed at the expense of so many hard working americans.
MrDeets
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Flipper
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i was worried
Whose to blame for the rising price of gas?
We are according to dems and obama, because we don't properly inflate our tires. If we did that we would save so much the prices wouldnt be rising. (if i understood this right)
We are according to dems and obama, because we don't properly inflate our tires. If we did that we would save so much the prices wouldnt be rising. (if i understood this right)
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Flipper
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You do actually get better gas mileage (up to 3% better) if you keep your tires properly topped up, according to a tire engineer.
MrDeets
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:up: Pretty basic stuff... poorly inflated tires= more contact with the road/more friction= more work for the motor to do.
Mr. Deets, Thank you for confirming what many have come to believe ...that republicans have absolutely no concern for the working people of this country!!!
MrDeets
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:up: I'm no republican, but I am a conservative. I can promise you one thing... I work for every penny I earn. I AM a working man, and I feel its the GOVERNMENT, not one party or another that has no concern for me and others like me who work our butts off for a paycheck. Do you have any idea what I do for a living??
I don't think it matters exactly what you do, many hard working americans have found their jobs cut, shipped overseas, or eliminated outright...for the sake of profit. It is private industry not the government that is in control, and big business pays to keep government at bay.
Obama sought to implement a fair tax system, eliminate loopholes, and essentially have the wealthy pay their fair share. So let's call Obama a socialist or a marxist, many uninformed people on the right actually believe such things and parrot the fraudulant republican buzz words...though Reagan wasn't called so when he raised taxes... on the wealthy! The republicans wallow in their obstructionist ways more concerned with party power than with what is best for america.
I see this lack of concern with republicans but I find it even more distasteful in Christians. I have no doubt that you are a hard working person be thankful, but don't dismiss those who through no fault of their own find themselves struggling.
PureX
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I agree with much of this post, but keep in mind that every time some major reform gets gutted and rendered impotent by Congress, it's being done by a sizable number of democrats as well as the republicans. The effect of legalized bribery on the legislature is now so overwhelmingly pervasive that it's not really going to matter much who we elect president or how much they care about the plight of the working people. The sad fact is that the president can't change the laws and the people who can are owned 'lock, stock, and barrel' by whoever pays them the biggest bribe. And that includes the democrats just as it does the republicans.
Money in politics is certainly at the root of the problem and fair to say it impacts both parties. I simply think that in the current environment, the here and now, the republican party under the influence of the tea party is much more culpable for inhibiting any positive action. McConnell summed up the republican position...make Obama a one term president. He may well have added ..."and the heck with what might be good for the country"!
Who is really to blame for the rising price of gasoline?
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ideogenous_mover
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Absolutely. Killing the Keystone pipeline killed TONS of jobs and tons of revenue for the US. Opening up domestic drilling or
just like everyone else, aren't the Canadians just interested who's pays the best on the world market, I mean they are the ones selling it they don't have to sell to us.
I can see that, but I'd have to take a closer look at what these details are to better understand how much I agree with you.
ideogenous_mover
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well, it does not take a very large percentage of poison in my blood to make me sick or even kill me, so your characterization of how serious this is might not be all-together convincing. I certainly will never eat shrimp again after the gulf spill, think about all those fishing and food industry jobs that must have went straight down the drain. All I remember is that for a few weeks they were selling bags of what looked like baby lobsters to bail em out before the oil hit
MrDeets
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:up: I don't think gov't has any business in business.... hence my "right wing loony" stand point. The USPS is a money hole, and there are a number of others(as I'm sure you know) that the goverment couldn't keep above water.
As well as subsidizing Brazilian offshore drilling, which would benefit us in NO way... has paved the way to shut down drilling in the Permian basin over a lizard... attemted to shut down drilling of shore in the gulf... the list goes on.
Yes, and providing healthcare and education with my tax dollars for illegals is definitely beneficial to the U.S. Thats most definitely a repub idea...
lain:There is lack of concern across the board, my friend from the left... party has nothing to do with it. Which is better- to vote for the party you feel would help those in need, or to directly help those in need?
And if we had an easier, cheaper, SAFER means to transport another million bbls/day from them to us, don't you think prices would drop?
Sure. I'm here to answer questions, and if you trust a non-Christ follower more, Lightbringer worked in the oilfield for 30+ years... I'm sure he'd be glad to share with you some of the detremental changes he's seen forced on the business.
I'm not trying to say the earth can't handle the oil it creates
AMR I'm simply saying while the number 5 or 6 million barrels(250 million gallons) is staggering, but the % spilled verses total amount handled is AMAZING by any standard.Shrimp is disgusting anyway...:vomit:
ideogenous_mover
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For them. They are the free-marketeers looking for the leg up for their country, do you think Canada wants to just stay in our shadow for it's entire existence? they are looking for who pays best. It is not proven that they will give us better deals because they are our "buddies," the free-market is blind to that thinking
Interesting. Well if you don't mind, can you give an example of this from your perspective
I'm not trying to say the earth can't handle the oil it creates
well, your body can handle the poison it creates in your appendix as long as it stays specifically in your appendix. but I don't doubt they are careful to get their wares to market
well, there is a lot more than shrimp out there, I had been talking to a fishing guide off the gulf who talked about so many different warm-water type sea fish out there. so I tend to wonder if the keystone oil jobs you speak of would even fill the deficit in terms of numbers of food industry jobs affected