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Your saying your grandson got AIDS from skateboarding?
Yes, it was a skateboard accident, he collided with another skateboarder and they both got real cut up, and banged up, it was the other young man who had the aids and their blood mingled, yes they were taken to the hospital both were treated and released; further blood tests that revealed this tragic result for our grandson.
 

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toldailytopic: Today is World AIDS Day. How will you observe the occasion?



I will observe people either proving their gullibility or their bigotry through their reaction to the "occasion."

I will read again, and share, this eye-opening letter by Nobel Prize chemist Kary Mullis:


In 1988 I was working as a consultant at Specialty Labs in Santa Monica, CA, setting up analytic routines for the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). I knew a lot about setting up analytic routines for anything with nucleic acids in it because I invented the Polymerase Chain Reaction. That's why they hired me.

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS), on the other hand, was something I did not know a lot about. Thus, when I found myself writing a report on our progress and goals for the project, sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, I recognized that I did not know the scientific reference to support a statement I had just written: "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS."

So I turned to the virologist at the next desk, a reliable and competent fellow, and asked him for the reference. He said I didn't need one. I disagreed. While it's true that certain scientific discoveries or techniques are so well established that their sources are no longer referenced in the contemporary literature, that didn't seem to be the case with the HIV/AIDS connection. It was totally remarkable to me that the individual who had discovered the cause of a deadly and as-yet-uncured disease would not be continually referenced in the scientific papers until that disease was cured and forgotten. But as I would soon learn, the name of that individual - who would surely be Nobel material - was on the tip of no one's tongue.

Of course, this simple reference had to be out there somewhere. Otherwise, tens of thousands of public servants and esteemed scientists of many callings, trying to solve the tragic deaths of a large number of homosexual and/or intravenous (IV) drug-using men between the ages of twenty-five and forty, would not have allowed their research to settle into one narrow channel of investigation. Everyone wouldn't fish in the same pond unless it was well established that all the other ponds were empty. There had to be a published paper, or perhaps several of them, which taken together indicated that HIV was the probable cause of AIDS. There just had to be.

I did computer searches, but came up with nothing. Of course, you can miss something important in computer searches by not putting in just the right key words. To be certain about a scientific issue, it's best to ask other scientists directly. That's one thing that scientific conferences in faraway places with nice beaches are for.

I was going to a lot of meetings and conferences as part of my job. I got in the habit of approaching anyone who gave a talk about AIDS and asking him or her what reference I should quote for that increasingly problematic statement, "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS."

After ten or fifteen meetings over a couple years, I was getting pretty upset when no one could cite the reference. I didn't like the ugly conclusion that was forming in my mind: The entire campaign against a disease increasingly regarded as a twentieth century Black Plague was based on a hypothesis whose origins no one could recall. That defied both scientific and common sense.

Finally, I had an opportunity to question one of the giants in HIV and AIDS research, DL Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute, when he gave a talk in San Diego. It would be the last time I would be able to ask my little question without showing anger, and I figured Montagnier would know the answer. So I asked him.

With a look of condescending puzzlement, Montagnier said, "Why don't you quote the report from the Centers for Disease Control? "

I replied, "It doesn't really address the issue of whether or not HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, does it?"

"No," he admitted, no doubt wondering when I would just go away. He looked for support to the little circle of people around him, but they were all awaiting a more definitive response, like I was.

"Why don't you quote the work on SIV [Simian Immunodeficiency Virus]?" the good doctor offered.

"I read that too, DL Montagnier," I responded. "What happened to those monkeys didn't remind me of AIDS. Besides, that paper was just published only a couple of months ago. I'm looking for the original paper where somebody showed that HIV caused AIDS.

This time, DL Montagnier's response was to walk quickly away to greet an acquaintance across the room.

Cut to the scene inside my car just a few years ago. I was driving from Mendocino to San Diego. Like everyone else by now, I knew a lot more about AIDS than I wanted to. But I still didn't know who had determined that it was caused by HIV. Getting sleepy as I came over the San Bernardino Mountains, I switched on the radio and tuned in a guy who was talking about AIDS. His name was Peter Duesberg, and he was a prominent virologist at Berkeley. I'd heard of him, but had never read his papers or heard him speak. But I listened, now wide awake, while he explained exactly why I was having so much trouble finding the references that linked HIV to AIDS. There weren't any. No one had ever proved that HIV causes AIDS. When I got home, I invited Duesberg down to San Diego to present his ideas to a meeting of the American Association for Chemistry. Mostly skeptical at first, the audience stayed for the lecture, and then an hour of questions, and then stayed talking to each other until requested to clear the room. Everyone left with more questions than they had brought.

I like and respect Peter Duesberg. I don't think he knows necessarily what causes AIDS; we have disagreements about that. But we're both certain about what doesn't cause AIDS.

We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a virus called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that this is true.

We have also not been able to discover why doctors prescribe a toxic drug called AZT (Zidovudine) to people who have no other complaint other than the fact that they have the presence of antibodies to HIV in their blood. In fact, we cannot understand why humans would take this drug for any reason.

We cannot understand how all this madness came about, and having both lived in Berkeley, we've seen some strange things indeed. We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake.

I say this rather strongly as a warning. Duesberg has been saying it for a long time.

Source: http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html
 

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Is Psalmists grandson fitting in your Psalm 58:10?
Some may feel that way, we believe that our grandson is watched over by the all compassionate Jesus, and cares very much for our grandson. He was saved before this happened, and yet it happened, it was an accident for him. Still he is a witness to all who will listen about how the cares for him and keeps him going day by day, several of his friends including his wife have been saved by grandson's witness and testimony.
 

drbrumley

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toldailytopic: Today is World AIDS Day. How will you observe the occasion?



I will observe people either proving their gullibility or their bigotry through their reaction to the "occasion."

I will read again, and share, this eye-opening letter by Nobel Prize chemist Kary Mullis:


In 1988 I was working as a consultant at Specialty Labs in Santa Monica, CA, setting up analytic routines for the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). I knew a lot about setting up analytic routines for anything with nucleic acids in it because I invented the Polymerase Chain Reaction. That's why they hired me.

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS), on the other hand, was something I did not know a lot about. Thus, when I found myself writing a report on our progress and goals for the project, sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, I recognized that I did not know the scientific reference to support a statement I had just written: "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS."

So I turned to the virologist at the next desk, a reliable and competent fellow, and asked him for the reference. He said I didn't need one. I disagreed. While it's true that certain scientific discoveries or techniques are so well established that their sources are no longer referenced in the contemporary literature, that didn't seem to be the case with the HIV/AIDS connection. It was totally remarkable to me that the individual who had discovered the cause of a deadly and as-yet-uncured disease would not be continually referenced in the scientific papers until that disease was cured and forgotten. But as I would soon learn, the name of that individual - who would surely be Nobel material - was on the tip of no one's tongue.

Of course, this simple reference had to be out there somewhere. Otherwise, tens of thousands of public servants and esteemed scientists of many callings, trying to solve the tragic deaths of a large number of homosexual and/or intravenous (IV) drug-using men between the ages of twenty-five and forty, would not have allowed their research to settle into one narrow channel of investigation. Everyone wouldn't fish in the same pond unless it was well established that all the other ponds were empty. There had to be a published paper, or perhaps several of them, which taken together indicated that HIV was the probable cause of AIDS. There just had to be.

I did computer searches, but came up with nothing. Of course, you can miss something important in computer searches by not putting in just the right key words. To be certain about a scientific issue, it's best to ask other scientists directly. That's one thing that scientific conferences in faraway places with nice beaches are for.

I was going to a lot of meetings and conferences as part of my job. I got in the habit of approaching anyone who gave a talk about AIDS and asking him or her what reference I should quote for that increasingly problematic statement, "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS."

After ten or fifteen meetings over a couple years, I was getting pretty upset when no one could cite the reference. I didn't like the ugly conclusion that was forming in my mind: The entire campaign against a disease increasingly regarded as a twentieth century Black Plague was based on a hypothesis whose origins no one could recall. That defied both scientific and common sense.

Finally, I had an opportunity to question one of the giants in HIV and AIDS research, DL Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute, when he gave a talk in San Diego. It would be the last time I would be able to ask my little question without showing anger, and I figured Montagnier would know the answer. So I asked him.

With a look of condescending puzzlement, Montagnier said, "Why don't you quote the report from the Centers for Disease Control? "

I replied, "It doesn't really address the issue of whether or not HIV is the probable cause of AIDS, does it?"

"No," he admitted, no doubt wondering when I would just go away. He looked for support to the little circle of people around him, but they were all awaiting a more definitive response, like I was.

"Why don't you quote the work on SIV [Simian Immunodeficiency Virus]?" the good doctor offered.

"I read that too, DL Montagnier," I responded. "What happened to those monkeys didn't remind me of AIDS. Besides, that paper was just published only a couple of months ago. I'm looking for the original paper where somebody showed that HIV caused AIDS.

This time, DL Montagnier's response was to walk quickly away to greet an acquaintance across the room.

Cut to the scene inside my car just a few years ago. I was driving from Mendocino to San Diego. Like everyone else by now, I knew a lot more about AIDS than I wanted to. But I still didn't know who had determined that it was caused by HIV. Getting sleepy as I came over the San Bernardino Mountains, I switched on the radio and tuned in a guy who was talking about AIDS. His name was Peter Duesberg, and he was a prominent virologist at Berkeley. I'd heard of him, but had never read his papers or heard him speak. But I listened, now wide awake, while he explained exactly why I was having so much trouble finding the references that linked HIV to AIDS. There weren't any. No one had ever proved that HIV causes AIDS. When I got home, I invited Duesberg down to San Diego to present his ideas to a meeting of the American Association for Chemistry. Mostly skeptical at first, the audience stayed for the lecture, and then an hour of questions, and then stayed talking to each other until requested to clear the room. Everyone left with more questions than they had brought.

I like and respect Peter Duesberg. I don't think he knows necessarily what causes AIDS; we have disagreements about that. But we're both certain about what doesn't cause AIDS.

We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a virus called HIV. There is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that this is true.

We have also not been able to discover why doctors prescribe a toxic drug called AZT (Zidovudine) to people who have no other complaint other than the fact that they have the presence of antibodies to HIV in their blood. In fact, we cannot understand why humans would take this drug for any reason.

We cannot understand how all this madness came about, and having both lived in Berkeley, we've seen some strange things indeed. We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake.

I say this rather strongly as a warning. Duesberg has been saying it for a long time.

Source: http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html

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drbrumley

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Some may feel that way, we believe that our grandson is watched over by the all compassionate Jesus, and cares very much for our grandson. He was saved before this happened, and yet it happened, it was an accident for him. Still he is a witness to all who will listen about how the cares for him and keeps him going day by day, several of his friends including his wife have been saved by grandson's witness and testimony.

Thank you Psalmist. You are such an encouragement .
 

drbrumley

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As a follow up to ELO, AZT seems to be the killer. I know we have discussed this before many moons ago, and my memory escapes me about where you think AIDS came from. Can you tell me where AIDS came from?
 

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Yes, it was a skateboard accident, he collided with another skateboarder and they both got real cut up, and banged up, it was the other young man who had the aids and their blood mingled, yes they were taken to the hospital both were treated and released; further blood tests that revealed this tragic result for our grandson.

My sympathy to your grandson Psalmist.

It appears that loving homosexuals want to have others "share" your grief Psalmist.

"Gay Men Want to Taint Nation’s Blood Supply…Again


"In 1993, tennis champion Arthur Ashe died as the result of receiving a blood transfusion that was tainted with the AIDS virus. Ashe was not homosexual, but the donor of the blood was.

Earlier, in 1985 as the AIDS epidemic began decimating large numbers of homosexuals, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) instituted a rule that homosexual men could not be blood donors.

Guess what? The nation’s homosexuals want to have that ban removed in much the same way they have successfully lobbied to get some States to accept same-sex marriage.

Supporting the effort to taint the nation’s blood supply are Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) and Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL). Working with them is the Obama administration’s Health and Human Services Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius.

It gets worse. Even the Red Cross is on record for lifting the ban."
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39084
 

elohiym

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Is AIDS a gay disease?

"Between 1981 and 1984 the Centers of Disease Control in Atlanta and many independent American and English scientists have proposed that AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs. See for example an editorial in the famous New England Journal of Medicine (vol. 305, p1465) by D. Durack proposing in 1981 that 'recreational drugs [are] immunosuppressive'.

"... The drug hypothesis holds that AIDS is caused either by recreational drugs, or by DNA chain terminators such as AZT prescribed as anti-HIV drugs, or by a combination of both.

"... DNA chain terminators like AZT are much more toxic than recreational drugs such as cocaine and heroin." Source.
 

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As a follow up to ELO, AZT seems to be the killer. I know we have discussed this before many moons ago, and my memory escapes me about where you think AIDS came from. Can you tell me where AIDS came from?

Actually drbongley, unnatural sex is the killer.

(Leave it to a Libertarian to think otherwise).
 

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"Between 1981 and 1984 the Centers of Disease Control in Atlanta and many independent American and English scientists have proposed that AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs. See for example an editorial in the famous New England Journal of Medicine (vol. 305, p1465) by D. Durack proposing in 1981 that 'recreational drugs [are] immunosuppressive'.

"... The drug hypothesis holds that AIDS is caused either by recreational drugs, or by DNA chain terminators such as AZT prescribed as anti-HIV drugs, or by a combination of both.

"... DNA chain terminators like AZT are much more toxic than recreational drugs such as cocaine and heroin."

Thanks for the 30 year old data elo.

So homosexuals that use recreational drugs is the reason they have AIDS?

If that were the case, intravenous junkies (those that don't engage in homosexual behavior) would be at the top of the list when it comes to carriers of AIDS.
 

elohiym

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As a follow up to ELO, AZT seems to be the killer. I know we have discussed this before many moons ago, and my memory escapes me about where you think AIDS came from. Can you tell me where AIDS came from?

AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs; it is not a lifestyle disease caused predominantly by the sexual transmission of the HIV virus.
 

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AIDS is a lifestyle disease caused by recreational drugs; it is not a lifestyle disease caused predominantly by the sexual transmission of the HIV virus.
How do those who do not use drugs at all get AIDS then?
 

elohiym

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So homosexuals that use recreational drugs is the reason they have AIDS?

"[D]rug use by American, English, Dutch, Canadian and Australian male homosexuals has been reported in the scientific literature: They use batteries of recreational drugs as sexual stimulants, including poppers (nitrite inhalants), amphetamines, ethyl chloride, cocaine, speed, heroin, in addition to a "polypharmacy" of medical drugs. Many of these, and particularly combinations of these drugs cause AIDS defining diseases - regardless of the presence of HIV."

"Inventing the AIDS Virus (IAV) proposes that AIDS is caused by drugs. The decrease in new AIDS cases in the US in the last years confirms this proposal exactly, because thus decrease corresponds exactly to a steady decline in recreational drug consumption. For example, in the US spending for recreational drugs peaked at $91 billion in 1988 and steadily dropped to $53.7 billion in 1995.

"Likewise the rapid increase of AIDS in the 1980s corresponded to the emergence of the explosive epidemics of recreational drug use in the US and Europe in the 1980s (see IAV)." Source.
 

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Hmmm, good question. Just happened to spot several HIV/AIDS viruses cruising down Main Street. They passed right by a gay bar and went into a Burger King (watch your cheeseburgers today).

The slogan: "HIV is a gay disease" is certainly not scientifically correct for the simple reason that HIV is a virus, not a disease. HIV, however, is the accepted cause of AIDS.

When the AIDS epidemic began officially in June 1981, it was widely considered exclusively a "gay disease." Now everyone should know that AIDS is a worldwide epidemic; and most AIDS cases are heterosexual, not homosexual.

The truth is that 16,000 people worldwide are infected with HIV every single day (World Health Organization). They are not all gay. In the United States, HIV infection rates have held steady at 40,000 per year, but recent preliminary data suggests those rates are on the rise. They are not all gay. African-American and Hispanic women together represent less than one-fourth of all U.S. women, but account for more than three-fourths (76%) of AIDS cases among women in this country (CDC Update, 6/98). Women now account for 43% of all HIV infected people over the age of 15 (New York Times, 11/98). In just over a decade, the proportion of all AIDS cases reported among adult and adolescent women tripled, from 7% in 1985 to 22% in 1997 (CDC Update, 6/98).

So, even if the gay population wants to brag that HIV/AIDS is their very own disease ... the facts state otherwise. Yet another Urban Legend bites the dust :)

I won't be doing a thing but I may go find a "gift giver"...

AIDS is a gay disease in the USA... Fact.... you get it from homos,,, by either sharing a needle with a homo or having normal sex with a homo or by having sex or sharing a needle with someone who has done the preceeding..
 

elohiym

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How do those who do not use drugs at all get AIDS then?

A diagnosis of AIDS in first world countries is made when a person tests HIV positive. You could have a cluster of diseases typically seen in an AIDS patient, but if you don't test HIV positive, you are not diagnosed as having AIDS. Many people technically have an acquired immune deficiency, potentially caused by any number of things. It doesn't have to be drugs.

The recreational drug use explains the rise in the reported cases of AIDS when we first heard of the AIDS epidemic (based on the false, unscientific HIV/AIDS hypothesis claim).That's important considering it was the question "what's killing these homosexual males with similar disease clusters?" Had the answer been, "it's recreational drug use within a promiscuous bath-house culture of homosexuality," I believe we wouldn't be having a World AIDS Day.

Speaking of world AIDS...

"The African AIDS epidemic has only one thing in common with the American/European AIDS epidemic - the name. African AIDS is caused by malnutrition, parasitic infection and poor sanitation. There are no risk groups in Africa, like drug addicts and homosexuals. It is for this reason that African AIDS is equally distributed between the sexes. Moreover, practically no African AIDS patients have pneumocystis pneumonia, dementia or Kaposi's sarcoma - the signal diseases of AIDS in the US and Europe. Above all, African AIDS is diagnosed without even attempting an HIV test, which is too expensive for Africa. Thus there is no scientific evidence for the correlation between HIV and African AIDS, only guesses." Source.
 

elohiym

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AIDS is a gay disease in the USA... Fact.... you get it from homos,,, by either sharing a needle with a homo or having normal sex with a homo or by having sex or sharing a needle with someone who has done the preceeding..

"The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta were the first to publish in 1989 in the New England Journal of Medicine (see IAV) that it takes about 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts with an HIV-positive person to become positive. The CDC's numbers are based on thousands of "discordant" hemophilia couples, in which the husband was positive from a transfusion and some of their wives became positive over time. Recent studies on homosexual couples, other heterosexual couples and singles have confirmed the CDC's original number (see IAV)." Source.
 

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"The Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta were the first to publish in 1989 in the New England Journal of Medicine (see IAV) that it takes about 1,000 unprotected sexual contacts with an HIV-positive person to become positive. The CDC's numbers are based on thousands of "discordant" hemophilia couples, in which the husband was positive from a transfusion and some of their wives became positive over time. Recent studies on homosexual couples, other heterosexual couples and singles have confirmed the CDC's original number (see IAV)." Source.

If that were the case, then blood donation screeners here in the US wouldn't ask the donor if they've ever had same gender sex, they'd ask if they'd had roughly around 1,000 same gender sex acts before they would deny homosexuals from giving blood.

Thanks for making my point regarding homosexual promiscuity though (the average homosexual has hundreds of sexual encounters).

(It's too bad it didn't take Psalmist's grandson 1,000 skateboarding accidents to contract it).
 

elohiym

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If that were the case, then blood donation screeners here in the US wouldn't ask the donor if they've ever had same gender sex, they'd ask if they'd had roughly around 1,000 same gender sex acts before they would deny homosexuals from giving blood.

Are you saying the administrative screening questions for blood donation at the Red Cross invalidate the scientifically confirmed facts?

Regardless, their screening question and the answer are irrelevant because the question is not evidenced-based and the answer could be a lie.
 

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Here's the most recent CDC report on homosexuality and HIV/AIDS (Sept. 2011)

While it does speak about alcohol and drug abuse amongst homosexuals, as you can see, it only lowers their inhibitions when it comes to promiscuity.

"Substance abuse: Some MSM use alcohol and illegal drugs, contributing to increased risk for HIV infection and other
STDs. Substance use can increase the risk for HIV transmission through risky sexual behaviors while under the
influence and through sharing needles or other injection equipment."
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/Newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf
 
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