Very true.
toldailytopic: How do you feel about building a mosque at ground zero?
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Very true.
America has not become the old Soviet Union yet so people can still refuse to work on jobs that are offensive to their conscience.
I read these letters of support for the refusal to work. Something seems clean about these people that I don't sense in the politiclly correct madness that defies human decency. Here are some examples:
http://www.bluecollarcorner.com/blog/?p=750
To you, these people are just ignorant examples of the "Great unwashed." I consider them Americans expressing the opinion of the overwhelming majority
You remind me of a parrot...except that every now and then I get the feeling a parrot might understand what it's saying.lain:
I didn't get that handbook. I'll stick with the old, weather beaten "Critical Guide to Actually Thinking". But thanks for the heads up.
Neither a point I'd make nor defend, though one you illustrate rather selectively by siding with those who would broad brush an entire religion, which is the rather inescapable effect of advancing the notion that a nearby mosque should be the source of offense.
So you have a God complex as well...noted.
I omit your profanity and the point you fail to make using it. :e4e:
The trouble is that the parrot understands more than the sheep caught up in the Obama Cult of Personality.
Who are you kidding? You proudly support the modern New Age Critical Thinking handbook with the glitter on the cover.
It is not a criticism of Islam since the religion exists on several levels. However the Sharia mosque at Ground Zero represents politically motivated callous insensitivity to the needs of those who endured 911.
You have no idea how much your broad brushing is a slap in the face of those suffering the results of 911. Your addiction to political correctness denies your heart. I'm glad I'm not caught up in this politically correct madness and still capable of feeling for others as human beings rather than as group members.
Yep. Or work on jobs they want. That's the part that seems to have you infuriated.
You're thinking clean, like a freshly-pressed SS uniform. But you're reading too much into these. They aren't like that. They've been frightened by the stories, misled about who is involved, and so on.
They are mostly good people, not folks who think decency is "politically correct madness." And the building gets built anyway. That's America.
You should stick to torturing irregular sentences. There's no reason to add cruelty to metaphorical animals to the list of your offenses. :nono:
Who aren't you...
Just cutting you off while you still knew what you were talking about.
lain:That looks like a sentence with a point, but then it isn't. Remarkable, really. A bit like suggesting a ban of the Bible isn't an attack on scripture, since it can be read on several levels.
oly:Which it isn't absent your peculiar metaphorical gerrymandering.
Only if you, again, paint with a broad brush and without regard for Muslims who died there.
You're a funny little fellow. I'm not broad brushing by insisting that we distinguish between the real villains and the sort of generalized nonsense you're extolling like a virtue.
Who knows how you define that...just more declarative nonsense parading as analysis without a shred of substance behind it.
Which, ironically enough, you stop doing the moment you take out that brush. You should take up tennis instead, provided you pat your own back with your dominant arm.
Tell me honestly why you believe the builders do not want to move to another site and insist on being provacative. Why do they prefer asserting rights as opposed to becoming sensitive to the needs of those that suffered the results of 911 on Ground Zero?
I'm guessing it's for the same reason you wouldn't want to move your church to another site just because some bigots didn't like it.
When someone doesn't cater to your prejudices, that's not "being provacative."
I'm guessing that it's because Muslims were also in those towers, and died there, too. If you stopped whimpering about how "sensitive" you are, and considered how it looks to them, it would help.
You should stick to torturing irregular sentences. There's no reason to add cruelty to metaphorical animals to the list of your offenses. :nono:
Who aren't you...
Just cutting you off while you still knew what you were talking about.
That looks like a sentence with a point, but then it isn't. Remarkable, really. A bit like suggesting a ban of the Bible isn't an attack on scripture, since it can be read on several levels.
Which it isn't absent your peculiar metaphorical gerrymandering.
Only if you, again, paint with a broad brush and without regard for Muslims who died there.
You're a funny little fellow. I'm not broad brushing by insisting that we distinguish between the real villains and the sort of generalized nonsense you're extolling like a virtue.
Who knows how you define that...just more declarative nonsense parading as analysis without a shred of substance behind it.
Which, ironically enough, you stop doing the moment you take out that brush. You should take up tennis instead, provided you pat your own back with your dominant arm.
Yes it isn't necessarily an attack on scripture and you are oblivious as to why. you are too busy trying to feel self important.
As usual you are incapable of seeing people as people. There was an attack on Ground Zero by Islamic terrorists. This we know. We don't know about all that were affected so they are people. Why inflict anything on people having suffered in this way anything that is provocative when the builders can just move to another site?
You are the type that would demand that a girl having been raped walking home from a party at 2:00 AM, get back out on the street again the next night because not all men are the same and being cautious is an insult.
It is self evident because of your denial of the needs of others.
You remind me of that old chess quote: "The slowness of genius is hard to bear; the slowness of mediocrity is intolerable. ..."
It is the same with your mediocre foolishness. Its lack of substance is intolerable so cannot be taken seriously.
I love how every time I level and sustain a charge against you your response is to parrot the charge without illustration.
Wanna cracker?
Said the only one of us doing precisely that (see: your generalization that has a mosque signifying a terrorist attack). Doofus.
No one is suggesting the infliction of anything. Now if the building of a mosque nearby causes someone suffering, they have a larger problem than 911 and require both therapy and our compassion, but not our agreement or enabling in an overly broad and inappropriate paranoia.
No, but I wouldn't demand that all men who might pass her by hide themselves out of respect for her inability to distinguish between them and the villain.
When most people say self evident it's because they don't need to make the point, not, as is the case here, because you can't.
You're too kind, really...well, wouldn't it be something if you were?
lain:I love how every time I level and sustain a charge against you your response is to parrot the charge without illustration.
Wanna cracker?
Said the only one of us doing precisely that (see: your generalization that has a mosque signifying a terrorist attack). Doofus.
No one is suggesting the infliction of anything. Now if the building of a mosque nearby causes someone suffering, they have a larger problem than 911 and require both therapy and our compassion, but not our agreement or enabling in an overly broad and inappropriate paranoia.
No, but I wouldn't demand that all men who might pass her by hide themselves out of respect for her inability to distinguish between them and the villain.
When most people say self evident it's because they don't need to make the point, not, as is the case here, because you can't.
You're too kind, really...well, wouldn't it be something if you were?
Here is an answer to a question on the same subject:
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100210062900AAo993F
It boils down to the fact that a person has to reach a certain level of understanding before the meaning of scripture can be understood. Read in the normal casual manner just leads to distortions. Consequently people were prevented from reading scripture in just any old way as they do now.
You may disagree with the caution but that is why the Bible was not allowed.
Yes, a Sharia mosque could have that effect on many that suffered 911. It can be seen as a symbol of victory.
You wish to condemn sensitivities in people. It is your way.
There have been times when I've gotten on to an elevator with an elderly person already on it. Sometimes they look at me with fear. I sense it and go into a far corner, smile at them, and then look straight ahead. It calms them. To you it is stupid. I have the right to be on the elevator as much as they do and why should I cater to their paranoia? I cannot explain it to someone like you that is obsessed with "rights." It just seems to me to be the natural thing to do.
It is the same with the mosque. Regardless of paranoia and the demand for "rights," moving the mosque to a more distant location is the considerate thing to do. Your heart either understands this or it doesn't.
No, but you can expect a person not to be intentionally provocative.
For any of you that have decided against allowing yourselves to be pulled into politics in order to preserve "meaning" and allow yourselves to contemplate a horrific event free of politically correct platitudes, I invite you to watch this video. It is not political. It is human and doesn't pit group against group but temporarily allows us to witness what we are capable of and wonder why it is so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g
It's an answer to a question no one was asking in support of a point you never actually made against anyone...so, great going then.
lain:No, that's not a Vikings' touchdown, people; that's just N/A blowing his own horn again.
People can see other people who differ from them any number of ways. That's never been the point. The point relates to what we choose to see and its reasonableness. Of course, you can't see it.
No, just the lack of it illustrated in your actual conduct/belief, as opposed to the declarations that never reach your eyes, so to speak.
Maybe you just radiate your inner sensitivity. I've never had that happen and I'm pushing six four and over two bills. So maybe you need to work on whatever it is you're projecting. :idunno:
Okay...
No. Now your arguments, on the other hand...that assurance you offer would be on par with the Muslims dedicating their mosque to peace and understanding between people of faiths. To parallel what you're asking of them you'd have to back out of the elevator and take the stairs. Every time you see one.
Given this appears to happen regularly enough for you to establish a methodology, it doesn't really follow that they're being paranoid. And you aren't really doing much. What would you normally do? Look about the elevator wildly? Walk around in it? Scowl fiercely? Uh-huh...a real sacrifice then. :nono:
Not my argument. I've said it's a matter of our founding principles. The right portion isn't in dispute by anyone.
It's not about consideration, again, but the kind and quality and the statement it makes. You have yet to address those Muslims who died who might find and take real comfort in the mosque, or the many Muslims who might be comforted by the understanding demonstrated in support of their house of worship, that we weren't, in fact, paranoid, broad brush, pin the blame on Islam hard liners.
You can lecture me on heart when you demonstrate compassion for all of the victims instead of the ones you favor. Doofi.
Building a place of worship isn't. You're projecting...and it isn't compassion.
Soooooooo,
Soooooooo,
So, he shall announce to St Peter at the gate "I WAS NICE ON ELEVATORS!"
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Soooooooo,
It's an answer to a question no one was asking in support of a point you never actually made against anyone...so, great going then.
No, that's not a Vikings' touchdown, people; that's just N/A blowing his own horn again.
People can see other people who differ from them any number of ways. That's never been the point. The point relates to what we choose to see and its reasonableness. Of course, you can't see it.
No, just the lack of it illustrated in your actual conduct/belief, as opposed to the declarations that never reach your eyes, so to speak.
Maybe you just radiate your inner sensitivity. I've never had that happen and I'm pushing six four and over two bills. So maybe you need to work on whatever it is you're projecting. :idunno:
Okay...
No. Now your arguments, on the other hand...that assurance you offer would be on par with the Muslims dedicating their mosque to peace and understanding between people of faiths. To parallel what you're asking of them you'd have to back out of the elevator and take the stairs. Every time you see one.
Given this appears to happen regularly enough for you to establish a methodology, it doesn't really follow that they're being paranoid. And you aren't really doing much. What would you normally do? Look about the elevator wildly? Walk around in it? Scowl fiercely? Uh-huh...a real sacrifice then. :nono:
Not my argument. I've said it's a matter of our founding principles. The right portion isn't in dispute by anyone.
It's not about consideration, again, but the kind and quality and the statement it makes. You have yet to address those Muslims who died who might find and take real comfort in the mosque, or the many Muslims who might be comforted by the understanding demonstrated in support of their house of worship, that we weren't, in fact, paranoid, broad brush, pin the blame on Islam hard liners.
You can lecture me on heart when you demonstrate compassion for all of the victims instead of the ones you favor. Doofi.
Building a place of worship isn't. You're projecting...and it isn't compassion.
So, he shall announce to St Peter at the gate "I WAS NICE ON ELEVATORS!"
bybee
:chuckle: Exactly. What he describes seems part for the course. :idunno:
As of now it isn't a federal matter so why should the feds be involved?
It isn't a matter of pettiness as much as sleaziness in the process of furthering the end that justifies the means. The benefit of this national debate is that it helps reveal the callous superficiality of government and modern secularism. It helps awaken people to what is being lost due to these platitudes and Interfaith feel good foolishness that leaves people gullible to damaging political manipulation.
Typical feel good blind belief with no comprehension as to the political motive for the mosque.
Your callous insensitivity is noted. I've visited in places where the elderly have been attacked. Their fear is not a politically incorrect response but rather knowledge of what has happened to them and their friends. It isn't something you and your feel good foolishness can comprehend.
First of all this Interfaith cultural center is typical of the hypocrisy of secular Interfaith. It says one thing and means another. Ground Zero must be free of such politics in respect to the sufferings of others.
Assinine! No compassion for those that live in terror and conditioned to express fear. Just the presence of a stranger provokes it.
Where in our founding principles does it suggest that "rights" are more important than our obligations to one another?
Only a fool caught up in feel good New Age critical thinking could not see how silly this is. Some Muslims were killed on Ground Zero by Muslim terrorists. This entitles other Muslims to a thirteen story cultural center at Ground Zero that by definition is a political Sharia mosque that is felt provocative to the overwhelming majority of those that suffered 911. Selfishness trumps compassion. Typical for the narrow-minded that finds comfort in political platitudes.
The bottom line is that we've become unable to value a national crisis without political overtones. It prevents us from learning from it. We cannot leave politics out. That is why I posted the video. It invites us to temporarily appreciate an event without politics. Unfortunately the effect quickly wears off and politics is once again dominant to those whose hearts have hardened.
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It is amazing how some people can easily see through all this feel good political BS while others are hopelessly caught up in it. Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid is one who sees through the political Interfaith BS.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/beginning-end-ground-zero-mosque
So either way the Ground Zero mosque is an idiotic idea. But since lunacy is a prime attribute of the blind believers in political correctness, I guess it just natural for them.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/beginning-end-ground-zero-mosque
So either way the Ground Zero mosque is an idiotic idea. But since lunacy is a prime attribute of the blind believers in political correctness, I guess it just natural for them.
Again, not the topic and not my argument.
Rather, your inability to actually demonstrate it. Now about those Muslims you keep avoiding...
You're a saint you are...patron saint of kindly elevator excursions.
And a master at defending against the unattempted attack.
lain:Feel good? Principles can and should give you satisfaction, but I'd hardly describe them that way.
Rather, it says one thing and you interpret another in keeping with your bias driven nonsense.
No one is talking about Ground Zero on this issue absent a rather creative manipulation of its meaning.
Still struggling with civil discourse I see. Noting that your self glorifying example isn't much of anything only demonstrates my lack of compassion for absurdity paraded as virtue aimed at undermining real virtue, you silly English pig-dog.
:chuckle: Again, it isn't about rights so this ham fisted attempt to turn it back to the issue no one disagrees on is so much hooey.
In order: my arguments have nothing to do with "feel good" measures, there's no such animal as this ongoing and sad intellectualism envy draped in New Age nonsense, and you are a living, breathing illustration of silly.
They were killed by terrorists who claimed Islam--just as some abortion clinics here were bombed by terrorists who claimed Christianity.
Taking your errors in order: no entitlement is sought or given, given the construction is being funded by its builders; the number of stories is immaterial; the reasonableness of that reaction and what it says about us is entirely the point and why I'm arguing for a less emotional, less forgetful (see: those Muslims) constriction of our respect and focus on where that should lead us, following our long established principles as Americans. A pity your bias won't let you see it.
Hysterically hypocritical nonsense coming from a man who had to be dragged into any consideration of victims that didn't support his mindset and then only to sneer a bit.
Political overtones are inescapable in a cultural event within the republic. Values play into but aren't established by it. Instead, the debate reflects the sort and quality of the values brought into consideration. And that's a good thing.
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I don't think the feds should intervene to stop the mosque being built either, but I know Obama has been criticized for his non-handling of the situation. I just don't think that makes sense if you don't believe this is a federal matter. I'm glad we agree on that much.
What end? What means?
Wait...stripping our government of power to coerce religious devotion leaves people at risk of political manipulation? That seems backwards. And if you don't want a secular government, what do you want?
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