toldailytopic: Flat tax? Sales tax? Which might be a better option than the tradition

[Nathon Detroit]

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toldailytopic: Flat tax? Sales tax? Which might be a better option than the traditional income tax and why?

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[Aimiel]

No taxes is good taxes.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

No taxes is good taxes.

:chuckle: True, but the government does need revenue.

Which system do you think would be the best?

 

[Town Heretic]

I like a bit of what I read in flat tax proposals, though there are assertions relating to the impact on costs that seem more hopeful than rooted in an understanding of how the market actually functions. I'm still mulling this one. The rich won't like it and that means there will doubtless be a wonderfully run grass roots campaign against it shortly.

 

[Aimiel]

:chuckle: True, but the government does need revenue. Which system do you think would be the best?

No taxes. The Income Tax was enacted in 1862 to help support the Union's Civil War efforts. It should have not been continued. It makes our representatives think that they know how to spend our money better than we do.

 

[CabinetMaker]

I would like to see a balanced budget first. The budget Obama is proposing for this year is 3.2x10^12 or 3.2 trillion dollars. The population of the country is around 300x10^6 or 300 million. That works out to about $10,666.67 for each man woman and child living it he US. Of that, something like 1.2 trillion is defect spending which works out to about $4,000.00 for each man woman and child. Flat tax, graduated income tax, a combination of the two or something completely different is irrelevant until we can get spending under control.

 

[The Graphite]

No taxes. The Income Tax was enacted in 1862 to help support the Union's Civil War efforts. It should have not been continued. It makes our representatives think that they know how to spend our money better than we do.

Do you think the gov't can run on zero revenue?

Or do you think the gov't is going to raise money in some way other than taxes?

 

[Buzzword]

I would like to see a balanced budget first. The budget Obama is proposing for this year is 3.2x10^12 or 3.2 trillion dollars. The population of the country is around 300x10^6 or 300 million. That works out to about $10,666.67 for each man woman and child living it he US. Of that, something like 1.2 trillion is defect spending which works out to about $4,000.00 for each man woman and child. Flat tax, graduated income tax, a combination of the two or something completely different is irrelevant until we can get spending under control.

^This^

Though our tax system isn't perfect, no tax system can continue working when the government spends more than it brings in.

Maybe we could have our representatives work without pay for a year or two, and see how much money we save.


One area that grinds my gears is the sales tax.
In Oklahoma, sales tax is charged on groceries.
It's basically charging the citizenry to LIVE. :madmad:

 

[Trumpetfolker]

Value Added Tax seems the ONLY way to go

Value Added Tax seems the ONLY way to go

VAT would tax at the point of purchase only. All taxes would be passed to the purchaser, only.
Why should a person who doesn't use alcohol, tobacco, air lines, pornography, radio, or tv have to pay for the government required to protect the assets of those industries.
Flat tax requires just that.

 

[chrysostom]

sales tax

we consume too much

 

[Tico]

Flat tax.

Poor people need to pay their fair share too.

we consume too much

How much less do we need to consume?

 

[Town Heretic]

Flat tax.

Poor people need to pay their fair share too.

Fair being the operative word.

How much less do we need to consume?

:think: What have you got on you?

 

[chrysostom]

Flat tax.

Poor people need to pay their fair share too.



How much less do we need to consume?

you should pay more taxes
if
you consume more

 

[Tico]

you should pay more taxes
if
you consume more

Originally Posted by chrysostom
we consume too much

How much less should we consume?

 

[chrysostom]

How much less should we consume?

the beauty of the sales tax is that you don't have to tell anyone how much they can consume
you just make sure they pay the taxes

 

[bybee]

I know very little about this topic but on the face of it it would seem that an across the board flat tax would be equitable. No exceptions. No one is exempt. No doubt though, there would have to be some sort of cut off for those making less than $24,000 to $36,000 per year? bybee

 

[The Graphite]

The only biblical example is a flat tax on actual increase in wealth, ie. income minus business expense. A sales tax has no biblical basis, plus it forces business owners to actually work for the government as tax collectors, makes them responsible for carrying out the govt's responsibility in that area and doesn't even pay them for their labor in doing so.

 

[Tico]

I know very little about this topic but on the face of it it would seem that an across the board flat tax would be equitable. No exceptions. No one is exempt. No doubt though, there would have to be some sort of cut off for those making less than $24,000 to $36,000 per year? bybee

Why?

 

[The Graphite]

I know very little about this topic but on the face of it it would seem that an across the board flat tax would be equitable. No exceptions. No one is exempt. No doubt though, there would have to be some sort of cut off for those making less than $24,000 to $36,000 per year? bybee

"No exceptions. No one is exempt."

Except for the millions of Americans who would be exempt.

Uhm... what?

 

[Delmar]

you should pay more taxes
if
you consume more

Why?