elohiym
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THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
x2lain:
How do you tell the difference between a person who worships satan and one who doesn't?
Over 87% of the abortions in the United States are committed by Christians.
More than x2.
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toldailytopic: Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
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How do you tell the difference between a person who worships satan and one who doesn't?
Over 87% of the abortions in the United States are committed by Christians.
More than x2.
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elohiym
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People do all sorts of things that they shouldn't. :idunno:
Beats me. I would imagine some of them are of the Body. I would imagine some of them aren't.
elohiym
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Like read the Quran? :idunno:
No murderer is in the Body of Christ. 1Jn 3:15.
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Dude.
Covered by Christ's sacrifice.
Covered by Christ's sacrifice.
elohiym
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Just Christians or all men?
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Everyone has their own personal 'idea' of God, and then there is the truth of who God really is.
If you believe you serve a 'god' who is full of wrath and anger and will condemn billions of his own creation to literally burn in fire for all eternity.....
..........the answer is "Yes", MANY Christians and Muslims are serving the same "IDEA" of who God is to them and what they've been usually taught to believe about God.
Both many Christians and Muslims believe in this mythical eternal burning chamber. Yet, I find it hilarious when they fight over who and what "God" is and how different each God is they are serving. When in fact they both are serving the same "IDEA" of who they believe God is.
This is what Religion does to humanity (creates chaos) when it is not filtered in understanding the truly AMAZING GRACE, MERCY, and which ultimately is the LOVE of God for all he created.
If you believe you serve a 'god' who is full of wrath and anger and will condemn billions of his own creation to literally burn in fire for all eternity.....
..........the answer is "Yes", MANY Christians and Muslims are serving the same "IDEA" of who God is to them and what they've been usually taught to believe about God.
Both many Christians and Muslims believe in this mythical eternal burning chamber. Yet, I find it hilarious when they fight over who and what "God" is and how different each God is they are serving. When in fact they both are serving the same "IDEA" of who they believe God is.
This is what Religion does to humanity (creates chaos) when it is not filtered in understanding the truly AMAZING GRACE, MERCY, and which ultimately is the LOVE of God for all he created.
elohiym
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Muslims believe in Jesus.
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Is that your "IDEA" of who you believe God is?
they don't believe He is God
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and they don't believe He is the Redeemer.
They believe in a false Jesus, having been deceived by the Great Deceiver.
elohiym
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Neither do many who call themselves "Christian."
Do you seriously believe that the one who claims to believe Jesus is God but murders her child worships God, but the Muslim women who believes in Jesus but doesn't know he is God, yet does not murder her child, does not worship God? :AMR:
elohiym
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How do you know that you don't believe in a false Jesus, having been deceived by the Great Deceiver?
We know GOD through what He reveals to us about Himself.
Ro 1, Psalm 19 and some lines in Job refer to GOD's self-revelation through nature.
This 'natural' revelation is limited in scope.
All men 'can' know something about the true GOD/Creator through this medium.
Paul says that we supress this knowledge.
Based on reason, both Christians, Jews and Muslims have devised similar logical arguments for the existence of the Creator GOD.
These arguments generally yield the same concept of the 'monotheistic' GOD, so based on reason alone, one could come to the conclusion that all three 'religions' honor the same GOD.
The problem arises when one considers that GOD has not limited the revelation of Himself through the creation alone.
He has also revealed Himself through verbalization.
Thus we have claims in the TANAKH/OT that GOD spoke directly to Adam, Cain, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, and the prophets, etc. If GOD truly spoke to them and what He said was faithfully recorded, then Judaism is true and the true GOD has revealed Himself through that medium.
Then, we have claim in the NT that GOD spoke to Elizabeth, Zachariah, Joseph, Mary, the Shepherds, John the Baptist and that He revealed Himself in the fullest sense through the person of His Son Jesus Messiah/Christ. Then it is claimed that Jesus appointed certain men to follow Him, through whom GOD also spoke.
The Koran claims that the true GOD spoke to Mohammed.
By comparing the truth claims of the three sources, which I believe are actually two sources(OT/NT vs Koran), do we find contradictory claims?
What GOD claims about Himself in the Bible is different from the claims of the 'god' in the Koran, thus one or the other is true, but they can't both be true.
They could both be wrong, but they can't both be true because they have mutually exclusive truth claims.
Therefore, the GOD of the Bible and the 'god' of Islam are not the same.
So, I usually say that 'philosophically' the 'gods' of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam point to the same eternal being, but through verbal/special revelation the GOD of the Bible proves to be a different 'being' than the 'god' of Islam.
Ro 1, Psalm 19 and some lines in Job refer to GOD's self-revelation through nature.
This 'natural' revelation is limited in scope.
All men 'can' know something about the true GOD/Creator through this medium.
Paul says that we supress this knowledge.
Based on reason, both Christians, Jews and Muslims have devised similar logical arguments for the existence of the Creator GOD.
These arguments generally yield the same concept of the 'monotheistic' GOD, so based on reason alone, one could come to the conclusion that all three 'religions' honor the same GOD.
The problem arises when one considers that GOD has not limited the revelation of Himself through the creation alone.
He has also revealed Himself through verbalization.
Thus we have claims in the TANAKH/OT that GOD spoke directly to Adam, Cain, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Hagar, and the prophets, etc. If GOD truly spoke to them and what He said was faithfully recorded, then Judaism is true and the true GOD has revealed Himself through that medium.
Then, we have claim in the NT that GOD spoke to Elizabeth, Zachariah, Joseph, Mary, the Shepherds, John the Baptist and that He revealed Himself in the fullest sense through the person of His Son Jesus Messiah/Christ. Then it is claimed that Jesus appointed certain men to follow Him, through whom GOD also spoke.
The Koran claims that the true GOD spoke to Mohammed.
By comparing the truth claims of the three sources, which I believe are actually two sources(OT/NT vs Koran), do we find contradictory claims?
What GOD claims about Himself in the Bible is different from the claims of the 'god' in the Koran, thus one or the other is true, but they can't both be true.
They could both be wrong, but they can't both be true because they have mutually exclusive truth claims.
Therefore, the GOD of the Bible and the 'god' of Islam are not the same.
So, I usually say that 'philosophically' the 'gods' of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam point to the same eternal being, but through verbal/special revelation the GOD of the Bible proves to be a different 'being' than the 'god' of Islam.
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How do you?
I seriously believe those who believe Jesus is God do in fact sin