toldailytopic: Burial vs. Cremation: does it matter what happens to your physical bod

MaryContrary

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If its just a dead lump of meat one way or the other, my friend, why do you consider cremation to be more self mutilation than having a large incision made and all the organs ripped out??
No, I said having a tattoo done is worse than being cremated. Didn't say anything about the other thing. And that's largely because when you're cremated, you're already dead. So...can't really see that as any kind of self-mutilation since that's not really any kind of self anymore or anything you're even involved in, beyond the decision made however long before.

Again, prove it. OR- I can at least give you a leg to stand on.... tattoos happen while we are alive, and therefore are of more importance than what happens to our flesh after we croak. :D
Yeah, that. :chuckle:
 

MaryContrary

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I need to make a clarification.

Though at times I have spoken with rancor about the funeral service profession that I was a part of, like any business there are those who give that business a bad name because of questionable practices, still I like what I did as an funeral arranger and funeral director, and funeral service officiant.

The best part for me was caring for the families, helping the family by taking care of their dead, and them helping the families with what needed to be done. It is the families that I like taking care of, showing compassion to them with kindness and a genuine concern.

Of the 150+ funerals I have officiated, I'm thankful I could make a difference for the families and individuals I served. Whether it has been the few babes and infants, or our own family members, to the many nursing home residents that I escorted from the funeral home to the cemetery, in officiating and caring for the family Jesus was first and foremost in bringing comfort to the bereaved and grief stricken.
I have actually thought a couple of times, at funerals of people I cared for and grieved losing, and where the folks at the funeral home were compassionate and gentle...how that must be a great job. I remember each time I was touched and very grateful for those folks. So, hats off to yah there, Psalmist. :e4e:

The fiddin' with dead bodies thing, though. That part I couldn't do. :nono:
 

lightbringer

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I'm mildly shocked you're not going to be put aboard a little skiff with all your treasured possesions and a fine young virgin.... and then cremated. :chuckle:

No sir, I had enough of the oceans and seas while being a Captain and for the virgin, that would sure be a waste, was never much of the Viking kinda guy.

Spread the ashes so the grass can grow and a cow can come along and eat it...then I'd be home for sure! South East Texas!:neck:
 

Psalmist

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I have actually thought a couple of times, at funerals of people I cared for and grieved losing, and where the folks at the funeral home were compassionate and gentle...how that must be a great job. I remember each time I was touched and very grateful for those folks. So, hats off to yah there, Psalmist. :e4e:
Thank you, that's very kind. When people find out that about me and the funeral thing some of them can get a wee bit nervous and stand offish.
The fiddin' with dead bodies thing, though. That part I couldn't do. :nono:
Mortuary school was two years, the first six months was embalming and restoration, while on the job training, classroom activity was the business end for some, but all had to take the psychology and grief counseling classes. Embalming and body prep is not for the squeamish by any means, so far as students are concerned the embalming part of schooling it will get the morbidly curious out mortuary school.

I lasted seven weeks in the embalming and body preparation phase and opted out, it is a bit much. But I continued with the rest of the courses while doing my on the job training for funeral director and funeral arranger.

Though I'm retired from it, what funeral service has done for me as a nursing home chaplain it has helped me with helping the families at the nursing home with final arrangements, and for some to officiate their loved ones funeral service.
 

Nick M

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Being Jewish cremation is out of the question for me but I don't think there is anything immoral about it.

Why is out of the question? Scripture please....Ezekiel if you need a hint. All threads lead to MAD.
 

Quincy

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I don't know if one matters over the other or not. To me, the important thing is one of them gets done, or buried at sea perhaps. Heaven forbide dead bodies flood the streets. I personally want to be cremated.
 

Granite

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Why is out of the question? Scripture please....Ezekiel if you need a hint. All threads lead to MAD.

Well, a couple things play into this--traditionally the Jews have buried their dead and it was a way to distinguish themselves from their pagan neighbors. The Romans, for example, often cremated their dead. It's my understanding that the Jews have historically regarded the practice as disrespectful.

After the Holocaust, the idea of being cremated was (and remains) incredibly abhorrent to many Jews.
 

Nick M

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Why did Jews put their bones in a box? I gave the hint. Simon bar Jonah's (apostle Peter) box was found in the 50's near the temple mount.
 

Granite

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Why did Jews put their bones in a box? I gave the hint. Simon bar Jonah's (apostle Peter) box was found in the 50's near the temple mount.

It saves space, for one thing. And for another, there's no way to determine if the ossuary found was that of the biblical Peter.
 

Nick M

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It saves space, for one thing.

So does putting the bones in a box in the ground to decompose.

And for another, there's no way to determine if the ossuary found was that of the biblical Peter.

It was just in a tomb with other early "Christians" and has his name on it. Exactly as it is recorded.
 

Granite

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So does putting the bones in a box in the ground to decompose.

See above, comments on disrespecting remains of dead, etc.

It was just in a tomb with other early "Christians" and has his name on it. Exactly as it is recorded.

It's a common name and there is no way to determine for certain if it's the biblical Peter or not. At all. And this tangent has zero to do with this thread. (I mean, really, if you want to take the word of the Catholic Church on faith, knock yourself out.)
 

chrysostom

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I like the way the monks did it
first you are buried
and
later your skull is dug up, engraved, and placed on a shelf
 

rexlunae

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Why is out of the question?

What I've been told by Jews that I've asked is that they consider their bodies to belong to God. So, no piercings or tattoos in life, and no destruction of the body in death.

I don't know if that's an official teaching, or more folk tradition though. But Jews often choose which parts of their religion to apply to their lives and in what ways.
 

Quincy

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I don't get it, they still mutilate a body when they bury it and of course the body will decompose on it's own, even quicker if it isn't treated. From dust to dust regardless.
 

Quincy

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I feel like it would be selfish of me to take up space on the Earth for my dead carcass. I don't even like funerals, where dead people oblige the living to 'commemorate' them. To me, it seems like they're making demands even from the grave. And I like the idea that the material that I am made of will get reused and become other things. So I prefer, and believe it to be somewhat a better moral choice, to be cremated and the ashes scattered back into the universe from which my body came. Burn my carcass, scatter the ashes, and then forget about me. Enjoy your lives.

That's how I feel about death.

I have a field that I own where I want my ashes scattered. Don't want them up on a mantle or in some monument, that's for sure. That's a little creepy for me but I'd prefer to be cremated and have my ashes returned to nature also.
 
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