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drbrumley
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You believe in "states rights" as much as the next guy. On a grander scale. Just either you can't discern your own beliefs logically or you really are that dumb. :idunno:
And why are you so supportive of ARTL's state petitons for "personhood" across the United States? You obviously don't believe in it. So why do something you don't want to do? Playing the hypocrite are we?
The Graphite
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States do not have rights. There is absolutely no biblical basis for such a concept, NOR is there any basis for it in the U.S. Constitution.
If you can point to the part of the Constitution where it refers to the "rights" of states, I would love to see that.
Of course, no such passage exists... because states do not have rights. Governments do not have rights. Individuals have rights. Governments have 1) obligations, duties, responsibilities, and 2) powers to carry out those obligations, etc. They are obligated to God to carry out those responsibilities. They have no moral or ethical choice in the matter. There is only a moral obligation to protect innocent life. No state has the "right" to do anything, and certainly they do not have the "right" to choose whether or not they will uphold the 5th and 14th amendments of the federal Constitution.
So, they don't have the right to ignore or contradict the 5th and 14th amendments, nor do they have the authority to do so. They have only the obligation to uphold them... in God's eyes first, and under the Constitution second. Period.
The Graphite
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I see you edited your post to add after I responded to you.
I absolutely support any state initiative - whether a law or a constitutional amendment - to recognize the personhood of all human beings from biological beginning to natural death. Why wouldn't I? How does that contradict what I have written here?
Those laws and constitutional amendments would further affirm the state's absolute mandate to protect innocent life, and to uphold the 5th and 14th amendments of the Constitution. It would affirm that the state has no "right" to legalize murder, any more than it has the right to legalize rape or slavery or robbery. No state has any "right" or authority to legalize these things, under any circumstances, because God's authority overrules them universally for one thing; and less important but still relevant, the federal Constitution overrules them another thing, prohibiting any state from such action.
Personhood amendments at the state level are exactly in line with my expressed stance that states have no "right" to legalize murder. Don't even begin to suggest I'm being hypocritical in that stance. A federal amendment or law would be better. However, as an uncompromising incrementalist, I celebrate any state-level victory in this sense.
Than which nothing could be more ridiculous.
One last clarification. No state or federal level amendment or law should be necessary, since the Constitution already overrules and prohibits any state from legalizing murder, slavery, robbery, etc. Such state laws are already explicitly unconstitutional. However, if a new law or amendment will force a government at any level, from federal to state to county to city to home-owner's association, I am all for it, because it will pressure that government to uphold what is already the law of the land - thou shalt not murder.
Yes.
No.
Why not.
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Ecumenicist
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In other words "If everyone would just agree with me, there would be no division!" Brilliant. Why didn't I think of that?
But then again, why agree with you? Why not me? Then there would be no division either!
Seriously, Dems in power, Repubs filibustering - everything. The right wingers are the dividers. Dems at least tried to work with Bush.
Sleepy Time
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No one can argue with that statement.
CALVARY\CALVIN
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Hey brother Night!! it's CALVARY/CALVIN!
Hey brother Night!! it's CALVARY/CALVIN!
i have a question 4 U! Is there anyway i can find the thread i posted about this subject yesterday? i spent hours on it because im ADD like crazy/and lost it when i hit the submit button;and i also cant type worth a crap! But it was a very interesting revelation about our president who is the (ABOM)I(NATION) OF DESOLATION,SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET!!! God bless u,i pray that u will be my friend!? amen..
Hey brother Night!! it's CALVARY/CALVIN!
i have a question 4 U! Is there anyway i can find the thread i posted about this subject yesterday? i spent hours on it because im ADD like crazy/and lost it when i hit the submit button;and i also cant type worth a crap! But it was a very interesting revelation about our president who is the (ABOM)I(NATION) OF DESOLATION,SPOKEN OF BY DANIEL THE PROPHET!!! God bless u,i pray that u will be my friend!? amen..
CALVARY\CALVIN
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hey sister bybee..how r u today? its ADD/CALVARY\CALVIN! I Jesus bless's u in all u do,this day Amen
drbrumley
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So a nation/state doesn't have the right to secede from any union?
It seems to me you don't understand when the words 'states rights' is used, it means the people who willingly live in that state/nation. Either that or you are a statist.
The Graphite
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*ding*ding*ding!* :first:
Authority flows downhill. From God, through a nation's federal government, down to the "states," counties, cities, etc. It doesn't start at the state level and go every which way from there.
True or false: A state in the U.S. has the authority to decriminalize murder. (Either biblically or constitutionally)
drbrumley
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I never would have known :noid:
No kidding.
Fundamental misunderstanding of how this nation was founded and scripture does not support you.
No, and no state has. Meanwhile, the UNITED STATES has done the very thing you critize of them attempting to do. (so called)
The Graphite
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Since states do not have rights, and since there is absolutely no basis for states (or any level of government) having "rights" to do anything, therefore states do not have the right to secede from any union.
Are you paying attention? I said states have no rights, period. So then you ask me if states have the right to do ___. Well, yes, that would fall under "no rights."
Obligations? Yes. Authority to carry out those obligations? Yes.
Rights? NO.
The Graphite
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Book, chapter, verse showing that mid-level government administrations have "rights."
Every state law that recognizes legal abortion is an example of a state decriminalizing murder.
Oh no... it's Sozo
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Abortion is not murder?
Alan Keyes elected to public office? The very thought makes me quake in my boots.
This man is a dangerous fanatic and a lunatic. I wouldn't vote for him as dogcatcher. He has absolutely no business being elected to anything but wacko of the year.
One heartbeat away from the presidency...this is too awful to imagine.
And the only thing Ron Paul should run for is the Canadian border. Who needs him? He's no libertarian.
This man is a dangerous fanatic and a lunatic. I wouldn't vote for him as dogcatcher. He has absolutely no business being elected to anything but wacko of the year.
One heartbeat away from the presidency...this is too awful to imagine.
And the only thing Ron Paul should run for is the Canadian border. Who needs him? He's no libertarian.
drbrumley
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Who says states are mid level? You? Again your misguided notion of how our nation came to be is silly.
I agree with you. Your problem stems from misguided notion of how our nation came to be
CALVARY\CALVIN
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I agree...and didnt Jesus say:that A house divided against itself shall not stand;and that broad(liberal in way's and thinking=Babylon:which mean's"confusion"! its the same old confusion of Babilonian\Gentile worldly(satanic)world government since the beginning of time,well almost! "Men who are forever learning,but never able to come the knowledge of the TRUTH".!!!) is the way that lead's to destruction,and many are the people who enter therein;and that ,narrow is the gate that leadeth unto life and few therebe that find it! something along those lines. Another words, if one is to keep his sanity throughout the durration of his life in this constantly "changing insane world"(he best be narrow minded as hell)!!! YOUR friend...........................................Calvary\ADD/Calvin.
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