Oh no... it's Sozo
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Do you molest your grandchildren, pervert?
You just lied, con man.
Then he wasn't legal. Case closed. Now, take a hike, false prophet.
toldailytopic: Arizona's new immigration law. Good law? Or bad law?
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Flipper
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Because people who are actually here legally will have their constitutional rights violated on the basis of "suspicion".
Do you have to prove you have citizenship in this country? If not, why not?
Oh no... it's Sozo
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If I'm innocent, I have no problem volunteering information if it will help find the one who is guilty. You?
Nang
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"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.
Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
"Nobody wants to pick us up," Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.
Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.
Nang
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Yeah . . . no doubt they will just migrate into California, where they will find a more liberal turf and many more shaded brick walls!
Gads . . .
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nicholsmom
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I don't have a problem with that. It is certainly within our right as a sovereign nation to decide who will and will not be allowed to be in our country. I think that it also isn't - or ought not to be - sufficient cause to stay in our country just because your baby was delivered on US soil; or that it is sufficient cause to grant citizenship to be born on US soil. I hate the anchor baby laws. It just gives added incentive to come into this nation illegally.
Nang
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These "baby laws" have destroyed the health system in California.
Hospitals by the hundreds have folded because of being forced to provide all kinds of care in emergency and pediatrics to aliens, without reimbursements of any kind.
And these "baby laws" have burdened each and all of us US citizens with the expense of providing for these children born into our system, who have parents who do not contribute any responsibility to their welfare.
These childrens' survival, daily bread, education, and future retirement on Social Security, is now all paid . . . by US!
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Seems odd to have people protesting, saying they have a "right" to be here illegally. Then again, this is liberalism is action. Pass and enforce laws that punish one's political enemies. Ignore and/or protest laws that are unfavorable to one's political friends.
Arizona's new law is just dandy. Protests that this law is "subject to abuse" is a real nutso argument. Any law is "subject to abuse." Supposedly, we have courts and judges who are appointed and elected to keep it straight and filter out any abuses. Of course, if one can get political-activist judges and courts, that goes away also.
(As an aside, it is interesting to watch a national regime attempt to establish an authoritarian rule over a people they have carefully educated over the years to have no respect for law or authority.)
Arizona's new law is just dandy. Protests that this law is "subject to abuse" is a real nutso argument. Any law is "subject to abuse." Supposedly, we have courts and judges who are appointed and elected to keep it straight and filter out any abuses. Of course, if one can get political-activist judges and courts, that goes away also.
(As an aside, it is interesting to watch a national regime attempt to establish an authoritarian rule over a people they have carefully educated over the years to have no respect for law or authority.)
Aimiel
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I imagine that's what you do to your children, since you seem to accuse everyone that you don't want to agree with of same. Sad. I feel sorry for them.
He was legal, he left the country before his visa expired. He applied for an extension, but without a 'marketable' skill, he had to return to a very depressed economy in Venezuela.
nicholsmom
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Why does this bother you? There are loads of people in all sorts of horrid conditions all over the world. A "very depressed economy" is no cause to "save him." Our country was built on the sweat and blood and fortunes of our forefathers who did all that they did for their posterity - that's us, not everyone in the world.
Now there is a simple fix to at least part of the problem of immigration - phase out the welfare state. If there is no free ride for anyone, then no amount of law-abiding aliens will cost our economy anything - we could even allow more people to become citizens. Of course those who come to commit crimes must be kept out, and contraband still needs to be kept out, so we still would need much better fences and much stricter border control at all ports.
Aimiel
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No bother. I know the poverty he faces every day in Venezuela, that's all. He's a cousin of my friend, who got his US citizenship due to having a skill. His mother taught him to sing and dance, and for years, he tried to get a job on a cruise ship. He couldn't get a visa, due to the politics of his country. He tired many times. One day he ran into a friend from high school, who was a police officer. Fifteen minutes later: he had a visa. He fell in love with a showgirl, whom he later married, and returned to her home in the USA when she left her job. He now has his own business, in Las Vegas, providing entertainment for conventions. He's rolling in dough, and sends some of it home to his uncle, who supports eight family members by being the only one who works. He sets up a 'briefcase-style' magazine stand every day, and sells newspapers and such all day long. The 'gimme' mentality is worse there than it is in the USA. Everyone wants a handout, no one wants to work for living.
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The pasted article in this post came in my e-mail this morning. Even if you don't like my short rant, you should read the quote. (sorry about formatting. it was much worse after cuting and pasteing)
One thing I would like to say is, the average American is not very much in touch with these illegals or their mindset.I lived around them in California years ago. "Kill em all and let God sort it out" pretty much describes my attitude.
Most people (the media watchers) are calling them Mexican, WAKE UP DAMMIT!!! These people walk across central America, all the way up through Mexio to get here from all parts of South America. They were criminals in there country before they left, they are crimminals here, what do you think started all the "gang violence" decades ago that is still going on? Why do you think thay can't enter legally? quotas? that's stupid, the government is letting them in illegaly anyway.
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The pasted article in this post came in my e-mail this morning. Even if you don't like my short rant, you should read the quote. (sorry about formatting. it was much worse after cuting and pasteing)
One thing I would like to say is, the average American is not very much in touch with these illegals or their mindset.I lived around them in California years ago. "Kill em all and let God sort it out" pretty much describes my attitude.
Most people (the media watchers) are calling them Mexican, WAKE UP DAMMIT!!! These people walk across central America, all the way up through Mexio to get here from all parts of South America. They were criminals in there country before they left, they are crimminals here, what do you think started all the "gang violence" decades ago that is still going on? Why do you think thay can't enter legally? quotas? that's stupid, the government is letting them in illegaly anyway.
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Actually, they've folded because they can't compete with health care conglomerates. This has been going on for nearly 30 years. Big corporations are swallowing up small facilities. For many small hospitals, it's "join or die".
Most of the parents work and pay taxes, rent or house payments (which include property taxes) and so on. In Texas, for example, they pay a disproportionate amount of taxes, because Texas depends on sales and property taxes.
You only qualify for Social Security if you pay into it enough to establish eligibility. Since many undocumented workers use another's social security number, we make a huge profit on them; they'll never get social security returns. Schools are largely funded by property taxes. If these people rent or own a home, they pay property taxes, so that's not an issue.
HerodionRomulus
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The law infringes upon the constitutional perogatives of the federal government.
Funny how the "states rights" folks whinge about federal intrusion into what they consider state rights, but have no problem with the state government interfering with the Federal.
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btw, who gave Visas and permission to enter to the Mayflower and Jamestown colonies? O yeah, your ancestors just came in and murdered the existing civilizations.
Did the states form the union or did it invade, conquer and impose itself upon them? You seem to be forgetting why we formed a union in the first place. The federal government is not a state, it's an institution formed by the consent of the states. To serve them.
Both irrelevant and ignorant.
HerodionRomulus
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Yeah, tell that to the Cherokees.
unknown
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Maybe we should get a clue from history, no?
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