DocJohnson
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Heh. Not at all.
And you think I'm stretching to call it self-worship?!!
toldailytopic: Absolute morality. Is the standard of right and wrong relative to ours
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Heh. Not at all.
And you think I'm stretching to call it self-worship?!!
We don't worship anything (the altars took up to much room).
I don't know of anyone that believes in nothing.
We both agree.... it's lacking.
Son of Jack
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My point, and I think you know what it was, is that such a system cannot adjudicate between claims, making it practically useless...enjoy that.
Since when did I accuse you of such a horrid thing?:shocked:
Right, until it disagrees with your particular point-of-view...
PS - Nietzsche eventually lost his mind...
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Society is a human invention.
Each man is for himself, but each man quickly finds other men with similar goals and voila, society.
Punisher1984
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Worship:
noun 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
I don't pay homage to myself, nor do I consider myself sacred or worthy of adoring reverence or title. The only definition of worship that *could* be applied to my philosophy is #3 (which is more of a coloquialism).
So the answer is no - I don't worship myself.
That's the system every human on this planet lives under.
With all due respect you are a complete moron.
You say it's not wrong to rape and murder, but you will kill to prevent it (or avenge it) because it violates your sovreignty.
Yet you can't even say that violating your sovreignty is a wrong doing in the first place. :rotfl:
Your atheism has caused you to be a irrelevant, laughable, buffoon.
Son of Jack
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Okay....who said it wasn't? We are all humans, no??
See my post regarding TH's question about morality and self-interest...
:thumb:
But...if you look carefully at Punisher's philosophy, society would instantly collapse if we all live consistently...that's all I was saying.
DocJohnson
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You do indeed have an adoring reverence and regard for yourself... and you are also the object of that adoration... therefore both 3. and 4. apply to you.
Me Tarzan.
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Punisher1984
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I don't much care for adjudication - I always preferred settling serious disputes with a show of power over arbitration by some outside power.
You haven't, but it seems you hold this artificially-created pyramid scheme in high regard...
Right, until it disagrees with your particular point-of-view...
This world doesn't have a point of view - it just does things and I intend to be ready for them when they come. If I succeed I continue living, if I don't I cease to be: it's as simple as that.
Due to a medical condition (diagnoses range from syphilis to brain cancer - we may never know for certain), not his philosophy.
DocJohnson
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Wrong. The vast majority of us engage in self-control and civility.
For example, if someone cuts me off in traffic, I don't feel compelled to blow his brains out just because he broke a traffic law.
It is useful as you point out.
And the adjudication goes like this; there two catagories of actions
1. actions that make Punisher1984 attack you
2. actions that don't make Punisher1984 attack you
DocJohnson
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It's entirely possible that his medical condition influenced his philosophy, too.
Punisher1984
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I don't ador myself nor grant myself undo reverance or regard - I merely recognise that values I create for myself serve my purposes better than values other people try to pawn off on me (and the same goes for everyone else). It's not blind faith or servitude of that which I create (as is the case with religion).
Like I said, #3 can be applicable but since that definition is lagely coloquial I don't count it...
DocJohnson
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There isn't much distinction there. :mmph:
Chalmer Wren
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I don't think morality can be described absolutely or relative to a single person. I think of it in terms of quality of life. What sort of rules and standards ought to be applied to ensure the maximum quality of life for each individual? One could potentially derive many systems, and many rules will have both pros and cons. For example, a system that meets everyone basic need for food and shelter, but causes suffering by requiring restricted personal liberties. At the other extreme, a system the maximizes personal freedoms, which causes suffering by failing to censor certain kinds of media, or to prevent cultural, religious, and economic conflict.
Punisher1984
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Possible, but since he was of sound mind up until his breakdown in 1890 that's unlikely.
DocJohnson
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So, you're saying you don't really respect yourself... which really makes more sense considering your entire outlook on life.
You fail to understand religion... including your own.
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