Samsara..............
Samsara..............
do you believe these people when they say
they don't sin?
Not at all, since unless they are wholly perfect, purified, evolved to the highest state of incorruption or immortality,....they cannot ever claim to be 'sinless'. To claim such by some way of 'doctrinal formulation or assumption' is folly, unless they are merely postulating a 'presumed' state of perfection 'in Christ' which is 'assumed' by a gesture of 'faith', beyond it being a theoretical 'position' held in their own mind.
On the absolute level of 'God-presence' and 'God-perfection',...if we are one with that divine nature NOW, we can hold to being already always 'whole' or 'perfect' in God....since the divine nature has no lack, imperfection, space or time in it...it is totally whole, incorrupt, immortal, eternal, infinite. On the philosophical premise of 'non-duality',....we can accept this proposition on its own basis, assuming our definition of 'God' is authentic, and we are in our essential deepest nature, of the pure Spirit-essence of 'God', there being no difference or separation, because God is One; God is All. Again, this is the view from 'God' Himself, who is already always timelessly PERFECT. My true individual essence (atman) is already One with 'Brahman' (the Universal Spirit).
However...if we're relating to this experience in 'duality' (the entire realm of space-time creation, where there is difference and the perception of separation/multiplicity)....we are involved in the phenomena of insufficiency, lack, sin, suffering, death,...the whole drama of 'time'. So in this world,...if one is claiming to not be affected by 'sin', then they would have to be 'other-worldly' having no part in this material existence, not sharing any trace of carnal nature or attachment to matter. While we are in this mortal body,...there is the 'karma' inherent in it, which is undergoing its play of cause/effect, actions/consequences,...where the lower nature and mind(ego) are ever 'engrossed' in this physical existence with all its suffering. If one wants to 'tout' some passages to support being 'sinless', there are just as many that say otherwise.
The issue of 'sin' is a bit different in an eastern philosophical perspective, but the western 'Church' has sure made a monopoly on it
pj