way 2 go
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you run out of substantive things to write
and resort to name calling.
good to know.
ECT .....To create in Himself one new man from the two.....(For anti Acts 2 people)
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you run out of substantive things to write
and resort to name calling.
good to know.
1Mind1Spirit
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What else can one do when confronted with an unbacked bald assertion?
Livelystone
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Every person born since Adam other than Jesus is born "in Adam" and already condemned unto death before being born
No one may receive "eternal life" other than through Jesus who is the resurrection.
All (gentiles and jews) who died prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus were given an opportunity to believe on Him during the time He went and ministered unto the "spirits in prison"
IMO it is safe to assume no one refused Him unlike the many who since His death and resurrection have refused Him.
All "Jews," since the death and resurrection of Jesus, have had/or will have, the same opportunity as every one else in this life to be given the "seed that is Christ in us the our hope of glory" thus passing from condemnation unto death into life eternal
Interplanner
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The believers are the new man. In Mt 21 they are called the new 'ethnos' or people which clinches the fact that the old structures can't be what the new one was.
Roughly, the two are Jews and Gentiles. It is expressed this way because the Jews would have the difficulty of accepting it, of accepting that God had opened access so simply to their promises. They had built up many beliefs in Judaism that their promises were way different and preferential to them.
The reconciliation is that there is bound to be hostility if one group claims favored status. But reconciliation should not be thought of as subjective, as just an emotional level change. The sin debts of inidividuals in each group are canceled by the crediting of Christ's righteousness to them. That is the reconciling that also reconciles them to fellowship.
way 2 go
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was by heritage with faith , but they didn't have faith
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,
Livelystone
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Considering the fact how faith is a necessary and critical component for identifying those who are members of the family of God........ most assuredly I agree with you.
So does the author of Hebrews.....
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
A branch broken off may be grafted back into the olive tree but, only via the same way we were grafted into the olive tree though Jesus Christ.......... the creator of the olive tree :thumb:
You need to restudy that out. They are born lost as anyone else, and remain lost as anyone else.
They only had access to the blessing. And this, from the age of eight days, via "circumcision in the flesh made by hands," which, in Eph. 2:11, is actually a put down, in light of what they did with that, just as it is in Acts 7:51; in 1 Thess. 2: 15, Romans 2:17, and so on.
Access to the promise was all they had, and what they failed to take hold of, in their unbelief.
Matthew 3:
9. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
John 8:
39. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Romans 9:
30. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Verse 30 here, is speaking of the opportunity the Gentiles have now been availed - a standing access to Body membership - through the righteousness which is of faith.
The access is automatic, one still has to take hold of it; one still has to believe.
Romans 3:
22. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
As with Israel, Gentiles don't have righteousness. Rather; they now have access to it - but they have to avail themselves of this righteousness which is of faith...by faith.
While I am at in, in this, Romans 11 is also warning as to the fact that this standing access that the Gentiles can now avail themselves of by faith, has an expiration date:
19. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
There will come a day when this standing access, will be cut off.
25. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11 is good news in light of bad news, in more ways than one.
Consider that, as with all schools of thought, there will be differences in understanding between people within a same "school."
You have failed to consider that; thus your "one size fits" chuckle at the "wackos."
Here, have some cold :spam:
:rotfl:
glorydaz
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ALL were bound to the same place, Jews and Gentiles and everyone else.
All have to come to God through Jesus to be saved.
Want scripture references?
All have to come to God through Jesus to be saved.
Want scripture references?
You're clueless.
Loammi pertains to the 10 tribes from the House of Israel, NOT Jews.
You really need to study to show yourself approved.
heir
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Is this where you're going to tell me that the word of truth that I'm to study to shew thyself approved unto God by rightly dividing is "Jesus"? :rotfl:
heir
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Nope. I'm a KJBible believer. And as to Jews, there are none today!
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
You should really read the book of Hosea.
Loammi has nothing to do with Jews.
If you would ever read Hosea, you would find out that God had mercy on the Jews, but not on the 10 tribes from the House of Israel.
It's just another reason why you are so confused about the following verse:
(1 Peter 2:10 KJV) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Quit following Darby, and study to show yourself approved !!!
In the following post by you, you claim Jews today are "Loammi"
Like I said, all this does is prove how clueless you are.
Quit following Darby, and study to show yourself approved !!!
heir
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Nope! It just doesn't work! Paul was already going to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Greeks are Gentiles) during his Acts ministry which is long before there was any mention of Christ making in Himself of twain one new man!
heir
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You say this to me and you don't even know how! It's you who are clueless
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heir
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Right! Not God's people!
Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
You can't even buy a clue