ECT This should end the discussion about easy grace and OSAS!

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ZacharyB

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Lazy afternoon said:
They (people like Heir) do not know anything God expects of them.
They are afraid that it might be some kind of work,
and everyone will see their hypocrisy of condemning others who do good works.

Paul encouraged people to do good works.
They are Sauls, not followers of Paul as he followed Christ.
1Co 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles,
that am not meet to be called an apostle,
because I persecuted the church of God.
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Jude 4 "... ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness"

Jesus' brother was speaking here of apostates ...
true believers who chose to depart from the true faith.
They taught that sinning was covered by grace,
and that no amount of sinning would disqualify them.

But, these people who you speak of, LA, were they ever true believers?
If they once were, then they are now apostates ...
because they are fighting against what God's grace really is all about.

The NT free gift of grace ... is giving people a chance, if they co-operate with the Lord.
NT grace is conditional ... one gets to keep this gift, if one pleases/satisfies the Lord.
True NT belief = enduring faith-trust-obedience until death.

If this makes it easier for some to understand ...
Gods thoughts and ways are not man's thoughts and ways (Isaiah).
 
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OCTOBER23

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Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God:

The Gift is there but you still have to OVERCOME and do Good Works and Keep the Commandments
 
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musterion

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"Where man calls for conditions, God calls for the Cross. As the finished work of the Cross is applied to the life by the Holy Spirit, thereby progressively holding the old man in the position of death, the believer is conditioned for the Spirit's fullness. It is not a surrendered self, but a crucified self that gives the Spirit freedom in the life.

"The sixth of Romans comes before the twelfth. In the latter we have the surrender, but it is not to get, or to attain; it is because he has entered into what is his; he has accepted the wondrous fact of his death with the Lord Jesus, and of the Spirit's presence and ministry. A crucified man relies upon no experience [or law, or rules, or creeds, or signs, or fruits]. To him [having died,] the Lord Jesus is his very life." -S.R.
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chrysostom said:
get to work
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Eph 2:8-10 KJV For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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I do, because God saved me into them.

You should get saved so that you can too.
 
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Truster

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ZacharyB said:
There are many more clear Scriptural Truths about the possibility
of losing salvation than there are about OSAS.
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Your attitude in regards to this situation of losing your salvation makes evident the fact that you were the instigator of your ''salvation''. Was it a sinner's prayer? Making a commitment? Going forward in a meeting or someone praying for you and saying you now had seed faith and it just needed to grow?
 
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ZacharyB

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Truster said:
PS what's a U/L?
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The easy Truster doesn't know what U/L means.

ET, do you know what difficult means?
Very few here do.

“… narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to
(eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14)

This little verse all by its' little 'ole self disproves ...
the easy-believism gospel and the easy-grace gospel.

Nothing easy about it ... working your way to salvation.
It's by God's grace (unmerited favor) that you even have the chance to.
 
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Truster

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ZacharyB said:
The easy Truster doesn't know what U/L means.

ET, do you know what difficult means?
Very few here do.

“… narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to
(eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
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There are 5 accepted U/L acronyms, but you seem to have made a 6th.

You seem to be afraid to say by which method you apprehended salvation so I take it you were ''brought up in a Christian home'' and don't need to be saved.

PS the term difficult is a mis-translation it should be tribulated.
 
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ZacharyB said:
The easy Truster doesn't know what U/L means.

ET, do you know what difficult means?
Very few here do.

“… narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to
(eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
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And this is the reason why . . . .

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John 17:3 (KJV)

With much spiritual violence does one enter the kingdom of God that one only begin to "know" Him.
 
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