Not by an earthly kingdom.
These are NOT the same gospel
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It certainly could mean that in some verses about "kingdom".
I would imagine that they viewed the kingdom of God as an eternal one where there was no sickness, no unkindness, no injustice, etc.
The new heaven and new earth.
As images of God, believers could demonstrate a glimpse of what it would be like by exhibiting compassion, forgiveness, worship towards the only true Most High God, etc. in the here and now.
So many different layers to consider.
God bless our studies together.
Right Divider
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Attempted humor?
Derf
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Tongue planted firmly in cheek.
Derf
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Who is the "you", and why is that a mystery? Isn't it that the Gentiles would become a people of God? Wasn't that enacted through Paul?
Right Divider
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The mystery that Paul talks about is the body of Christ.
glorydaz
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That's the reward. What did He preach about salvation?
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glorydaz
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No, they were referring to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. God coming to the earth to rule. In fact, only Matthew spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven and he is the one who focused on Jesus being the KING of the Kingdom.
glorydaz
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I'll answer. God needed Paul to communicate the mystery program. That which had been kept hidden since the beginning.
Right Divider
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Yes, it's kingdom OF heaven and not kingdom IN heaven.
glorydaz
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No, the gentiles being called was not a mystery. That's prophecy...."light to the gentiles".
One of the mysteries revealed by Paul was "Christ in you" speaking of the body of Christ and the indwelling Spirit.
Not just a temporary gift of the Spirit that came upon people, which happened throughout the OT, but a permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Idolater
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I oppose MAD because it's inconsistent just like every other Noncatholic ism.
But I answered this question in a prior post. It's evident that God needed Paul to 'finish the job' for Jesus, Who began preaching the 'DBR' to the other future Apostles before the 'DBR' happened. As was mentioned he was an astute Pharisee, knowing both the law and the prophets, knowing Jewish oral traditions, and he was personally devout, so he walked the talk, in a sense. He was also born and raised outside of Judea, in 'Gentile country', seeing firsthand what all these pagans were about. He probably was familiar with many pagan arguments against the God of Israel already. All of this contributed to Paul's 'features' and characteristics, but mainly it was his faith, a wild measure of it, that enabled him to become an Apostle and to be "with" the other Apostles.
And without him----God's chosen vessel----the Church and the New Covenant would have 'died on the vine', no doubt about it.
Thank God for Paul!
Right Divider
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Are you going for funniest post of the day?- The new covenant is between God and the nation and people of Israel, just like the Bible says (Jer 31 and Heb 8).
- The church which is His body has nothing to do with any covenant.
- The twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom WITHOUT any knowledge of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
- The gospel of the grace of God CANNOT be preached WITHOUT the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Derf
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How the Jews ended up saved seemed to be equally mysterious, since the 12 took so long to grasp the idea of Jesus's DBR.
But I agree it's probably not their salvation, but their incorporation into the same group as the Jews.
Idolater
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And Gentiles.
- The new covenant is between God and the nation and people of Israel, just like the Bible says (Jer 31 and Heb 8).
Disagreed, the Church is New Covenant.
Not without knowledge, but without apprehension and without understanding for sure, which even extended to after the 'DBR' and Ascension, until Old Paul came around to save the day. Or the bacon.
Then Jesus preached the Gospel of the grace of God to His future Apostles before the 'DBR' happened.
glorydaz
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Nope, the work of the Apostles was basically done. They continued to obey what Jesus told them.
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
The church has nothing to do with the new covenant.
Paul's gospel to the gentiles is taking place during a gap in the prophetic timeline.
The New Covenant is with Israel and was postponed until Jesus returns in Glory.
glorydaz
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What incorporation are you talking about?
Idolater
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But isn't that different from the Great Commission at the end of that same book of Matthew?
Do you agree that Jesus preached the 'DBR' to the future Apostles before the 'DBR' happened?
Right Divider
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Nope.
Just Israel.
You're wrong, as usual.
Then there were NOT preaching the DBR as part of the gospel of the kingdom.
Nowhere can you find the 12 being faulted for their preaching the kingdom of God without the DBR. (Hint: the gospel of the kingdom is about the kingdom).
