The Trinity

[glorydaz]

See, you do not have a clue as to what I posted the last five years.


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Sure I do....but it's been ever changing and evolving. Have you forgotten? Your "explaining" has gotten more and more far afield with each passing day. God's UNtruth has done the exact same thing. You have both increased in boldness as you each head farther and farther away for the TRUTH.

 

[keypurr]

The Trinity

Sure I do....but it's been ever changing and evolving. Have you forgotten? Your "explaining" has gotten more and more far afield with each passing day. God's UNtruth has done the exact same thing. You have both increased in boldness as you each head farther and farther away for the TRUTH.

Truth is not something folks vote for.
Many are called but few are chosen.
To find truth one must discard the majority opinion.
The forefathers were in error yet they are still followed.


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[keypurr]

Keypurr, another post for you to reply to:

You believe that the Son of God is a created being, no?

If that is true, Here is my question:

Was God the Father eternally called "the Father"?

I sincerely believe that only the Father is uncreated.
I also see that the true son of God is a spirit that dwelled in a man named Jesus.

As to your question, AGAIN NO.



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[JudgeRightly]

Answered a few posts back.

If your not equipped to see the answer you should not ask the question.

If you're not equipped to answer simple questions, then you shouldn't be on TOL in the first place.

I asked these three questions, all to test your knowledge of John 1:

Keypurr, whom did John see in John 1:15?

Keypurr, whom did John see in John 1:15? I just need a single name.

Is the word "Him" in John 1:15 referring to the "Word" in the previous verse?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know

A, B, or C, Keypurr.

And you answered with these:

I see the logos who was at the creation in the body of Jesus who came after John.

I don't think in simple JR. You have your answer. You do not seem to understand it. I didn't expect you to.

When I was a child I thought like a child, now I am not a child any more. I suggest you stop thinking like a child and use your power to think. Get out of Theology 101 and into the meat.

You seem to forget that I once thought as you do. I can never go back there for my eyes have been opened. Go deeper friend and pray for understanding. I have tried to show you what I have been given. I put it on the table for you, you do not have to digest it. Your choice.

About 97% of those three posts is just obfuscation. There is no answer in them.

Only in your first answer do I have anything even coming close to resembling an answer, and it's not a very clear one.

Keypurr, I asked whom John was speaking of in John 1:15. Was your answer the "Word" of John 1:14? If so, why didn't you just say "The Word"? Why complicate your answer to create obfuscation where it is not necessary?

 

[God's Truth]

"Born Divine" you say? :doh:

Yep, that's what John was talking about when he spoke of antichrists, and he was right. They still walk among us. You're claiming, as all antichrists do, that God cheated, and pretended to be tempted like as we are. That He didn't suffer the same temptations we do. He was a fake human. He didn't take on human nature...he put on the skin of a man and set out to deceive.
:nono:

You need to prove it by quoting me. Stop making up things.

Only human beings are born under the Law. If Jesus was not fully human, He couldn't redeem anyone.

Gal. 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.​

I'm surprised you don't even understand the incarnation. You're just as big a JOKE as Keypurr is. Talk about a WILD IMAGINATION. I never thought I'd see the day he'd have such stiff competition.

If you don't believe Jesus was born divine, then you don't believe he was God on earth. So the warning goes to you.

 

[keypurr]

If you're not equipped to answer simple questions, then you shouldn't be on TOL in the first place.

I asked these three questions, all to test your knowledge of John 1:







And you answered with these:







About 97% of those three posts is just obfuscation. There is no answer in them.

Only in your first answer do I have anything even coming close to resembling an answer, and it's not a very clear one.

Keypurr, I asked whom John was speaking of in John 1:15. Was your answer the "Word" of John 1:14? If so, why didn't you just say "The Word"? Why complicate your answer to create obfuscation where it is not necessary?

Do you have a reading problem?

Him in verse is correctly answered in my first post on the question. You just do not wish to accept it. The WORD was IN Jesus. The WORD spoke through Jesus. Jesus is the BODY God prepared for the WORD.

Jesus became the Christ after the WORD went IN him. At his baptism.

Now stop asking the same question over and over for I will not change my answer to it.


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[glorydaz]

Truth is not something folks vote for.

No one said it was.

Many are called but few are chosen.

And you think you are one of the "few" I'm assuming?

To find truth one must discard the majority opinion.

Simply believing what the word of God said is the ONLY way to find truth. :sigh:

The forefathers were in error yet they are still followed.

In other words you are Mr. Contrary, and trust in yourself ....a Lone Wolf in black sheep's clothing.
Yep, I think you're right about that part, Keypurr, but you'll join a big crowd when you reach the other side. All those who thought they could go it alone according to their own understanding. :hammer:

 

[JudgeRightly]

If you're not equipped to answer simple questions, then you shouldn't be on TOL in the first place.

I asked these three questions, all to test your knowledge of John 1:

And you answered with these:

About 97% of those three posts is just obfuscation. There is no answer in them.

Only in your first answer do I have anything even coming close to resembling an answer, and it's not a very clear one.

Keypurr, I asked whom John was speaking of in John 1:15. Was your answer the "Word" of John 1:14? If so, why didn't you just say "The Word"? Why complicate your answer to create obfuscation where it is not necessary?

Do you have a reading problem?

No, I have a problem with your obfuscation.

Him in verse 15 is correctly answered in my first post on the question. You just do not wish to accept it.

Or perhaps your answer was too vague.

The WORD was IN Jesus.

Was the Word in Jesus before Jesus' baptism?

The WORD spoke through Jesus. Jesus is the BODY God prepared for the WORD.

Jesus became the Christ after the WORD went IN him. At his baptism.

Let's stay focused here, Keypurr.

Now stop asking the same question over and over for I will not change my answer to it.

Oh shut it. I'm getting tired of your obfuscation and rambling. Talking to you is like pulling teeth with rusty fireplace tongs.

Here is my next question for you, Keypurr:

This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ - John 1:30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1:30&version=NKJV

Is the "He" in this verse, which I have colored green above, Jesus?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Then why make the distinction? Why not just always use "s" or always use "S"? Always one or always the other?

Are you saying that the Human "spirit" is actually the one "Spirit" of God? That's blasphemy.

You know well that isn't what she was saying.

She was saying that there is only One Spirit of GOD.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Have you never noticed that all of the verses you quote to support "faith + works" salvation all come from books that are all addressed to Jews, Hebrews, or the 12 tribes? That they never come from Paul's epistles?

Seems rather odd, don't you think? Paul states faith, and no works, James says faith AND works. They are the exact antitheses of each other. Why? Because Paul is talking to a completely different group of people than are Peter, James, John, and the others. They teach a different message than does Paul. You can't get around that fact.

If Paul was teaching the same as the Apostles, then why, when Paul was converted, didn't the Apostles just teach him what they were teaching? Why would Jesus have to give Paul special revelation if what He wanted him to teach is something the other Apostles already knew?



GT, we've been through this before, but you're just too dense and stubborn to even consider that you are incorrect.

None, not one, or these verses even come close to refuting trinitarian beliefs.

In addition, the word one in English here is the closest word we have for the Hebrew word ehad, which, in fact, means one of plurality, and not one of singularity. You have no ground to stand on.

So the polytheist thinks there are two gospels and that we have the law of the Spirit written in out hearts and minds just for shits and giggles.

 

[popsthebuilder]

If it doesn't matter, then why make the distinction in the first place?!

So people like you wouldn't get confused about the Spirit of GOD, equating it to the spirit of man.

 

[popsthebuilder]

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Thanks for showing that Jesus who was from GOD and heaven, had the Holy Spirit as his spirit.

You know what she meant too. To act as if you didn't and attempt to further confuse others based on your knowing misrepresentation is a shame.

 

[God's Truth]

So the polytheist thinks there are two gospels and that we have the law of the Spirit written in out hearts and minds just for shits and giggles.

You just made me think of something, they are polytheists and they believe in more than one gospel. Now isn't that befitting.

 

[Right Divider]

Do you have a reading problem?

Him in verse is correctly answered in my first post on the question. You just do not wish to accept it. The WORD was IN Jesus. The WORD spoke through Jesus. Jesus is the BODY God prepared for the WORD.

Jesus became the Christ after the WORD went IN him. At his baptism.

Now stop asking the same question over and over for I will not change my answer to it.

You really need to stop telling that LIE.

The WORD became flesh at His BIRTH.

John 1:32 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:32) And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
​

The BIBLE says that the Spirit "abode UPON him" and NOT "IN him".

keypurr is a liar again and again.

 

[Right Divider]

You just made me think of something, they are polytheists and they believe in more than one gospel. Now isn't that befitting.

The liar lies again.

Your need to repent of your SIN of lying.

 

[God's Truth]

The liar lies again.

Your need to repent of your SIN of lying.

I do not lie.

Just because you will not admit what your belief says.

There are not three different and separate making one.

 

[Right Divider]

I do not lie.

Just because you will not admit what your belief says.

There are not three different and separate making one.

You DO LIE... and just saying that you don't won't change that.

We say that there is ONE God and YOU call us polytheists.

You are a disgusting liar.

 

[God's Truth]

You DO LIE... and just saying that you don't won't change that.

We say that there is ONE God and YOU call us polytheists.

You are a disgusting liar.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.


Jesus is that one and only God the Father come as a Son.


The trinity doctrine believers cannot even agree on whether or not whether the Father is Spirit or just a Person.

The Father IS SPIRIT, and the Holy Spirit is not another Spirit, it is His and Him.

 

[Right Divider]

There is only one God and He is the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Jesus is that one and only God the Father come as a Son.

The trinity doctrine believers cannot even agree on whether or not whether the Father is Spirit or just a Person.

The Father IS SPIRIT, and the Holy Spirit is not another Spirit, it is His and Him.

You are a babbling fool and should be ashamed of yourself... but you're too proud for that.

What in the heck does "as a Son" mean anyway? That's GT speak.

You will never (apparently) believe the BIBLICAL version of the three that are ONE. Your "three ways" is nonsense from your own vain mind.

John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. ​

The Father and the Son have an ETERNAL relationship that is beyond your ability to understand.

 

[God's Truth]

You are a babbling fool and should be ashamed of yourself... but you're too proud for that.

What in the heck does "as a Son" mean anyway? That's GT speak.

You will never (apparently) believe the BIBLICAL version of the three that are ONE. Your "three ways" is nonsense from your own vain mind.

John 17:5 (AKJV/PCE)​

(17:5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. ​

The Father and the Son have an ETERNAL relationship that is beyond your ability to understand.

They are the exact same.

Everything that Jesus does, the Father does.

Everything that Jesus says, the Father says.

When you see Jesus one day, you can say, "I see the Father".

Now tell me, when you see Jesus one day, are you going to wonder where the Father is and where the Holy Spirit is?