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Almost every quote I know of is treated foreignly on basic features by your club.
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What was preached to Abraham?
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Such features attain to foreign treatment as a predisposition against inherent scheduling. Agreed?
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Hey dummy,
Acts was a time of promise. Those who believed the Apostles doctrine were "in Christ" and will receive the City. Those who believed Paul's doctrine were "in Christ" and are seated in the heavens.
Quit mixing them. Your commentaries do not know how to sort these things out, and have left you as confused as a baby raccoon.
LA,
I have no idea how you can miss that the Son is the very WORD of God and the very "Body" or "Glory" of God. It's very clear.
Moses asks God to Show Him His Glory...
Exodus 33:18-23
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.”
1) Moses names God's "Physical Presence"... God's Glory
2) God's GOODNESS is about to pass before Moses
3) God "Proclaim(s) "the name of the Lord"
So... here we have YHWH passing before Moses and Declaring "HIS NAME". As you see this as the "Father"... I will point out two matters. The focus is on the "EXPRESS" GLORY of GOD. This Glory also presented Himself before Moses at the tent of meeting. The Pillar of Cloud in the following verse is the focus of my next point.
Exodus 33:7-11
7 Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, far from the camp, and called it the tabernacle of meeting. And it came to pass that everyone who sought the Lord went out to the tabernacle of meeting which was outside the camp. 8 So it was, whenever Moses went out to the tabernacle, that all the people rose, and each man stood at his tent door and watched Moses until he had gone into the tabernacle. 9 And it came to pass, when Moses entered the tabernacle, that the pillar of cloud descended and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses. 10 All the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the tabernacle door, and all the people rose and worshiped, each man in his tent door. 11 So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. ...
7 Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, far from the camp, and called it the tabernacle of meeting. And it came to pass that everyone who sought the Lord went out to the tabernacle of meeting which was outside the camp. 8 So it was, whenever Moses went out to the tabernacle, that all the people rose, and each man stood at his tent door and watched Moses until he had gone into the tabernacle. 9 And it came to pass, when Moses entered the tabernacle, that the pillar of cloud descended and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses. 10 All the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the tabernacle door, and all the people rose and worshiped, each man in his tent door. 11 So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. ...
4) The "Tabernacle of meeting" is pitched "OUTSIDE the CAMP"
5) People met God "Outside the camp" of Israel
6) The Pillar of Cloud in this passage is the very "FORM" of YHWH that "stands".
and Again...
Leviticus 16
Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died; 2 and the Lord said to Moses: “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.
Now the Lord spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they offered profane fire before the Lord, and died; 2 and the Lord said to Moses: “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at just any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, lest he die; for I will appear in the cloud above the mercy seat.
7) God makes it clear that HE is the very Presence ABOVE the MERCY seat for the DAY of Atonement.
and again... in reference to the Torah...
Leviticus 16:7-10
He shall take the two goats and present them before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the Lord and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
He shall take the two goats and present them before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of meeting. 8 Then Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats: one lot for the Lord and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9 And Aaron shall bring the goat on which the Lord’s lot fell, and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make atonement upon it, and to let it go as the scapegoat into the wilderness.
8) Lots were cast over the two goats
9) One Lot is to God and the Other is to the "Scape Goat".
10) The Scape Goat is sent into the wilderness... outside the camp of Israel... with the peoples shame upon it.
Now... LA... I'm trying here... I'm giving you a bit of patience and attempting to speak kindly... please note that this is ephemeral on my part and I will grow tired rapidly if you don't actually search what I'm pointing out here... I have marked up passages of scripture to assist you in fully understanding what is plainly written in scripture. I have the scriptures rapidly available for you to search... in this very Post... so I'm going to Number out the points to take note of and then link them to scripture...
You have stated that I can be difficult to follow, so I am taking extra time... right now... to communicate point by point... linked to scripture and as clearly as I possibly can.
1) Moses names God's "Physical Presence"... God's Glory
Hebrews 1
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, ...
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, ...
LA,
Here we see that "THE SON" is the very GLORY of GOd and the "Express IMAAGE of..." YHWH's Person. That is literally solidifying that "The Son" is the PRESENCE or BODY of God. (Manifestation) This binds to this... (John 14:9)
now... to prevent a common misunderstanding of this matter...
and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
...... * "Word of HIS POWER" ... this is a direct quote that calls "the Son" ... "The Word" and it goes on to call Him the POWER of God... (Right Hand is a Hebrew reference to a man's POWER)... the Left hand in Hebrew was considered the WEAK HAND and the RIGHT HAND was considered the Hand of "Power".
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
...... * "Word of HIS POWER" ... this is a direct quote that calls "the Son" ... "The Word" and it goes on to call Him the POWER of God... (Right Hand is a Hebrew reference to a man's POWER)... the Left hand in Hebrew was considered the WEAK HAND and the RIGHT HAND was considered the Hand of "Power".
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
The notation of the word EVER is crucial in this passage. God would never appoint an Angel to His place of Authority... Satan appointed HIMSELF to the "Right Hand of God" by pride and deceit, ... we can see this here... (Zechariah 3:1) *Joshua is the english name of Jesus... Jesus is Greek and Yeshua is Hebrew ... God alone is the true POWER of God... as we see here...
Isaiah 41:13
13 For I, the Lord your God, will hold your right hand,
Saying to you, ‘Fear not, I will help you.’
13 For I, the Lord your God, will hold your right hand,
Saying to you, ‘Fear not, I will help you.’
God grasps our hand with HIS RIGHT HAND. This is a critical point to understand for SALVATION.
2) God's GOODNESS is about to pass before Moses
(Psalm 100:5) ... and... (Heb. 13:8) bound to (Mal. 3:6)
3) God "Proclaim(s) "the name of the Lord"
Only GOD (Is. 9:6) could have the NAME ABOVE all NAMES... or we would be saying there is ONE greater than YHWH...
Php. 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The Name of God is JESUS! And this very passage explains that BOWING to THE Son is Bowing to THE GLORY of THE FATHER. As in, the very GLORY that passed before Moses.
4) The "Tabernacle of meeting" is pitched "OUTSIDE the CAMP"
5) People met God "Outside the camp" of Israel
Both of these points bind to THIS...
6) The Pillar of Cloud in this passage is the very "FORM" of YHWH that "stands".
7) God makes it clear that HE is the very Presence ABOVE the MERCY seat for the DAY of Atonement.
The cloud is identified as CHRIST. YHWH's "Presence" or BODY is the LOGOS, WORD of Creation and Is ETERNAL! God's Body is GOD! Body... Spirit and Soul...
8) Lots were cast over the two goats
9) One Lot is to God and the Other is to the "Scape Goat".
The very word vesture... means cloths and a person's Body is known as "The Cloths of their Soul" by ALL scripture! Note that it divides the word "garments from vesture". ... This is a direct binding to the Scape Goat... and binds to (Heb. 13:13)... as well.
10) The Scape Goat is sent into the wilderness... outside the camp of Israel... with the peoples shame upon it.
The Name of God is JESUS! And this very passage explains that BOWING to THE Son is Bowing to THE GLORY of THE FATHER. As in, the very GLORY that passed before Moses.
4) The "Tabernacle of meeting" is pitched "OUTSIDE the CAMP"
5) People met God "Outside the camp" of Israel
Both of these points bind to THIS...
Hebrews 13:13
13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
6) The Pillar of Cloud in this passage is the very "FORM" of YHWH that "stands".
7) God makes it clear that HE is the very Presence ABOVE the MERCY seat for the DAY of Atonement.
1 Corinthians 10
Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
The cloud is identified as CHRIST. YHWH's "Presence" or BODY is the LOGOS, WORD of Creation and Is ETERNAL! God's Body is GOD! Body... Spirit and Soul...
8) Lots were cast over the two goats
9) One Lot is to God and the Other is to the "Scape Goat".
Matthew 27:3
35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
The very word vesture... means cloths and a person's Body is known as "The Cloths of their Soul" by ALL scripture! Note that it divides the word "garments from vesture". ... This is a direct binding to the Scape Goat... and binds to (Heb. 13:13)... as well.
10) The Scape Goat is sent into the wilderness... outside the camp of Israel... with the peoples shame upon it.
Hebrews 13:13
13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
13 Therefore let us go forth to Him, outside the camp, bearing His reproach.
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EE,
You miss that while the Father is in His Son, the Son is not the same person as is His Father.
Not the same being.
The Bible record is of how God has raised up His Son to be in the Fathers image.
How can you miss that?
LA
You miss that while the Father is in His Son, the Son is not the same person as is His Father.
Not the same being.
The Bible record is of how God has raised up His Son to be in the Fathers image.
How can you miss that?
LA
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There are three.
The three are one and the same.
There aren't three different Gods making One.
There is One God who reveals Himself to us in three.
God is One and He came as a Son in the flesh.
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God the Father who came as a Son.
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Made-up and anti-scriptural.
Three what?
One God.... three Persons.
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No, not one God three persons.
God is One and there is no one besides Him.
Deuteronomy 4:35
You were shown these things so that you might know that the LORD is God; besides him there is no other.
Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.
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You said "one God in three". THREE WHAT?
You need to come clean.
Matt 28:19 (AKJV/PCE)
(28:19) ¶ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
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One God revealed to us by Himself invisible who live in unapproachable light, and come in the flesh as a Son, and through His Holy Spirit that goes forth without limit.
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Get a grip. I have explained it to you many times.
God shows Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God the Father in the Old Testament, and He is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son in the New Testament.
Jesus is the Word of God...the words of God the Father, there is no other.
Jesus is God the Father made visible.
He is God the Father with a physical body.
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I already explained it to you.
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No you did not. You have been completely EVASIVE about it.
THREE WHAT?
It's a simple question. Any Christian would be able to answer it with one word.