ECT The Throne of David

[Lazy afternoon]

The Father is Spirit and cannot be "seen". The Son is the very "Form" (Heb. 1:3) or "Glory" of the Father that is seen. You are correct about the Prince connotation, but... the Son is known as the Son for our behalf. We can be counted "equals" with God by Love, in sonship... but the Son is none other than the "Only" form of the "Father" and when God visibly sits in His throne... it is the Son that we see.

EE

That is not true.

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 5:7 And He(Jesus)came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

LA

 

[steko]

His kingdom in this present form was never going to totally succeed; it is prayer that it would. He gives it up at the end of history and all his opponents are removed, Rev 20. It is only complicated if you try to merge in another episode of Judaism in Judea, and if you ignore that David saw that the resurrection WAS the enthronement, in Ps 16 (Acts 2).

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

No, MY throne and HIS throne are CLEARLY two thrones.

No.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

That is not true.

Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Rev 5:7 And He(Jesus)came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

LA

OIC... did you know the book is actually titled... "The Revelation of Jesus Christ"?

The last couple chapters are awesome... Jesus reveals that He is the ALPHA and OMEGA.

But... you are a Christ hater and exalted of self... so... instead of equality by Love... you choose to be like Christ... AKA "The GLORY of God".

- EE

(Rev. 1:8) and again ... (Revelation 22:13)... and... spoiler alert, who was talking... big reveal in (Rev. 22:16)

But hate on Anti Christ Spirit... Hate on.

There is NO THING Higher than THE TRUTH and there is an I AM to that matter.

# Winky Face

 

[Interplanner]

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

That is all true in Christ, Steko, but the club here wants it to be externalized even if only 1000 years that ends in failure (Rev 20). And in Judea. What Christ accomplished must be seen and preached as entirely complete, like the opening of Colossians. Or Heb 1-2, with its reality check that we don't see everything subject right now.

 

[God's Truth]

No.

Jesus is ruling now. Just read and believe.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.


Philippians 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

Ephesians 1:21
far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

OIC... did you know the book is actually titled... "The Revelation of Jesus Christ"?

The last couple chapters are awesome... Jesus reveals that He is the ALPHA and OMEGA.

But... you are a Christ hater and exalted of self... so... instead of equality by Love... you choose to be like Christ... AKA "The GLORY of God".

- EE

(Rev. 1:8) and again ... (Revelation 22:13)... and... spoiler alert, who was talking... big reveal in (Rev. 22:16)

But hate on Anti Christ Spirit... Hate on.

There is NO THING Higher than THE TRUTH and there is an I AM to that matter.

# Winky Face

You do not know Gods Son.

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.


LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Jesus is ruling now. Just read and believe.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.


Philippians 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

Ephesians 1:21
far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Jesus now rules over the church.

The Father now rules over the nations,

In the future Jesus with the Saints will rule over the nations.

At the end of His rule over the nations, the Kingdom will be handed back to the Father.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

LA

 

[Interplanner]

Jesus is ruling now. Just read and believe.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.


Philippians 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

Ephesians 1:21
far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Great collection GT!

 

[God's Truth]

Great collection GT!

Thanks!

 

[steko]

That is all true in Christ, Steko, but the club here wants it to be externalized even if only 1000 years that ends in failure (Rev 20). And in Judea. What Christ accomplished must be seen and preached as entirely complete, like the opening of Colossians. Or Heb 1-2, with its reality check that we don't see everything subject right now.

In order to believe as you do, I would have to disregard an overwhelming amount of Scripture or find some way to deviously change the meaning of those Scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus now rules over the church.

That's right.

The Father now rules over the nations,

The Father put Jesus in power of all things.

In the future Jesus with the Saints will rule over the nations.

At the end of His rule over the nations, the Kingdom will be handed back to the Father.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

LA

What don't you get about all things being held together by his word?

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

That is all true in Christ, Steko, but the club here wants it to be externalized even if only 1000 years that ends in failure (Rev 20). And in Judea. What Christ accomplished must be seen and preached as entirely complete, like the opening of Colossians. Or Heb 1-2, with its reality check that we don't see everything subject right now.

It does not end in failure.

Gods children are all in the Holy city.

Only the wicked are outside of it.

Even if their were no thousand years, you would have to see what is happening now as a failure.

Either way you are blind as yet.

Start seeking.

LA

 

[Interplanner]

In order to believe as you do, I would have to disregard an overwhelming amount of Scripture or find some way to deviously change the meaning of those Scriptures.

Hopefully you will sometime realize what it means to have things true in Christ. It means in his event and work, in terms of that. Take the day of justice for example. that's what Rom 3 is saying. God excecuted complete justice in Christ.

Likewise: the day of atonement is in Christ, says Heb 8-10.
the kingdom of God is in Christ, say the synoptics
the eternal life of God is in Christ (I AM the resurrection), says John.

Find any OT theme or image or motif, and the NT will tell you that Christ is the reality of it. Manna. Paschal lamb. Atonement. Exodus. Elijah. Moses. The temple. Sprinkled blood. Etc. He is even a new law.

 

[God's Truth]

It does not end in failure.

Gods children are all in the Holy city.

Only the wicked are outside of it.

Even if their were no thousand years, you would have to see what is happening now as a failure.

Either way you are blind as yet.

Start seeking.

LA

The wicked are outside the Holy City, the heavenly Jerusalem.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Jesus now rules over the church.

The Father now rules over the nations,

In the future Jesus with the Saints will rule over the nations.

At the end of His rule over the nations, the Kingdom will be handed back to the Father.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

LA

That's right.



The Father put Jesus in power of all things.



What don't you get about all things being held together by his word?

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

What do you not understand about those verses in 1 Cor.ch 15?

 

[God's Truth]

What do you not understand about those verses in 1 Cor.ch 15?

You are the one who does not understand.

Jesus is reigning now and he will reign until all enemies are under his feet.

That is when Jesus comes again at the resurrection.

That is the great white throne judgment.

Wrath will come on the earth and Satan, death, and Hades will be thrown in the lake of fire.

Then Jesus hands the kingdom over to the Father.

 

[steko]

Hopefully you will sometime realize what it means to have things true in Christ. It means in his event and work, in terms of that. Take the day of justice for example. that's what Rom 3 is saying. God excecuted complete justice in Christ.

Likewise: the day of atonement is in Christ, says Heb 8-10.
the kingdom of God is in Christ, say the synoptics
the eternal life of God is in Christ (I AM the resurrection), says John.

Find any OT theme or image or motif, and the NT will tell you that Christ is the reality of it. Manna. Paschal lamb. Atonement. Exodus. Elijah. Moses. The temple. Sprinkled blood. Etc. He is even a new law.

Too bad, you don't get it.

 

[Tambora]

Too bad, you don't get it.

It's a crying shame.

 

[steko]

It's a crying shame.

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