The Terrible God of Calvinism

[nikolai_42]

The reason that I did not respond to Christ for a number of years is because I loved being a sinner.

I did not get saved until I was 34.

So the very thing you rejected ultimately ended up saving you? And the only reason it did was because you chose it? Okay...but if you loved being a sinner, what changed?

 

[NickCharles]

The Bible teaches that God loves everyone and has tasted death for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

If it's conditional, it's not really love.

 

[Robert Pate]

So God is impotent in that He is unable to save everyone?

God has done all that he can do to provide salvation for all.

He now offers salvation to all who do nothing more than call upon his name, Romans 10:13.

God imposes salvation on no one. To do so would make him unjust.

 

[Robert Pate]

If it's conditional, it's not really love.

Of course its love.

Jesus came into the world to save sinners.

 

[NickCharles]

God has done all that he can do to provide salvation for all.



He now offers salvation to all who do nothing more than call upon his name, Romans 10:13.



God imposes salvation on no one. To do so would make him unjust.

That does not go against Calvinism. I'm not sure why you'd think so.

 

[Robert Pate]

So the very thing you rejected ultimately ended up saving you? And the only reason it did was because you chose it? Okay...but if you loved being a sinner, what changed?

I heard the Gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my need for Christ.

I accepted Christ as my savior and repented of my sins.

 

[NickCharles]

Of course its love.



Jesus came into the world to save sinners.

Not in your view. You view is that He came into the world to try to save sinners. He claims to love everyone, but He really only loves those who love him back.

 

[Robert Pate]

That does not go against Calvinism. I'm not sure why you'd think so.

Calvinist do not believe that anyone can accept Christ. They believe that you must be chosen.

 

[NickCharles]

Calvinist do not believe that anyone can accept Christ. They believe that you must be chosen.

Please post anything from any Calvinist writing that supports this. Otherwise, it must be retracted if you have any integrity.

 

[Robert Pate]

Not in your view. You view is that He came into the world to try to save sinners. He claims to love everyone, but He really only loves those who love him back.

Not true.

"While we were yet sinners Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

 

[NickCharles]

Not true.



"While we were yet sinners Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

I know what scripture says. I'm just explaining what your view ACTUALLY is.

 

[nikolai_42]

I heard the Gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted me of my need for Christ.

I accepted Christ as my savior and repented of my sins.

What would you say about someone in that position who still rejected Christ? Wouldn't you say he still loved his sins (at least more than Christ - certainly not enough to give them up even though he knew what his end would be)?

 

[Robert Pate]

Please post anything from any Calvinist writing that supports this. Otherwise, it must be retracted if you have any integrity.

Thats an easy one. Cannons of Dort, First Head: Article #6.

"That some receive the gift of faith from God and others do not proceeds from God's eternal decree".

 

[NickCharles]

Thats an easy one. Cannons of Dort, First Head: Article #6.



"That some receive the gift of faith from God and others do not proceeds from God's eternal decree".

Yep. Where does that state that not everyone CAN believe? We are talking about ability, not willingness.

 

[Robert Pate]

I know what scripture says. I'm just explaining what your view ACTUALLY is.

I have work to do. Will return later.

Read the scriptures if you want to know what my view is.

 

[NickCharles]

I have work to do. Will return later.



Read the scriptures if you want to know what my view is.

You use scripture. You just don't seem to understand them, nor do you use them consistently.

 

[Robert Pate]

You use scripture. You just don't seem to understand them, nor do you use them consistently.

I understand them completely.

My doctrine is true because it is based upon the Bible, the Gospel and justification by faith, and is confirmed by the Holy Spirit.

What you need to do is get all of your man conceived writings together and throw them in the trash.

 

[Robert Pate]

Yep. Where does that state that not everyone CAN believe? We are talking about ability, not willingness.

We are all born with the ability to believe in Jesus. It is a normal human attribute.

 

[NickCharles]

I understand them completely.



My doctrine is true because it is based upon the Bible, the Gospel and justification by faith, and is confirmed by the Holy Spirit.



What you need to do is get all of your man conceived writings together and throw them in the trash.

So should I follow what you say, if I want to be correct?

 

[NickCharles]

We are all born with the ability to believe in Jesus. It is a normal human attribute.

But not the willingness. Which you've already admitted about yourself.