THE SUNDAY BILL AND THE TRINITY

Pipiripi

Member
This is a very important for the Sabbath keepers.

"It will also be noticed that this 'league' [The International Sunday Observance League] has other plans besides the intention to prosecute those who will not bow to their manmade Sabbath. Perhaps they will prosecute those who do not believe in the Trinity." (Review and Herald, Nov.20, 1894, Vol.71, No 46, p.730).

We all know that Sunday laws are on the statute books of America, and many SeventhSeventh-day Adventists are waiting for the Sunday law enforced in fulfillment of the mark of the beast in Revelation 13. But what the majority of Seventh-day Adventists don't realize, is that attached to the Sunday law bills was another 'religious' law concerning the Trinity. Take a look at the following concerning the Breckingridge Bill, of which A.T.Jones and other Adventist leaders spoke against:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That it shall be unlawful for any person or corporation, or employe of any person or corporation in the District of Columbia, to perform any secular labor or business, or to cause the same to be performed by any person in their employment on Sunday, except works of necessity or mercy; nor shall it be lawful for any person or corporation to receive pay for labor or services performed or rendered in violation of this act ..."

"...In this connection let me say, gentlemen, that the District of Columbia has just the same kind of a Sunday law as that of Ohio. This law of the District of Columbia was in force when this book was issued which I hold in my hand, which was April 1, 1868; and I am told that this law (which I will read) was reenacted in 1874. I now quote from the law. Section 1 provides that- 'If any person shall DENY THE TRINITY​​​​​, he shall, for the first offense, be bored through the tongue, and fined twenty pounds; ... and for the second offense, the offender being thereof convict as aforesaid, shall be stigmatized by burning on the forehead with the letter B, and fined forty pounds; and for the third offense, the offender being thereof convict as aforesaid, shall suffer death, without the benefit of the clergy.' Section 10 of the same law has this:- 'No person whatever shall do any bodily labor on the Lord's day, commonly called Sunday ... Now, gentlemen, that law has never been repealed." (Arguments on the Breckingridge Sunday Bill).

You can also see the above confirmed in the book "American State Papers Bearing on Sunday legislation" from 1911.

Taking this to some lawyers, they told us that the old law we had found was still binding. This is a very strict law, and provides that the offender shall pay a fine of 200 pounds of tobacco. But that which makes this law [Sunday law] appear so strange, is that it is found IN DIRECT CONNECTION with another statute which provides that any one who publicly denies the Trinity as commonly held, shall for the first offense, have his tongue bored through, and for the third offense, suffer death without the benefit of the clergy. Possibly the reason why the promoters of the present Sunday law ignore the one now on the statutes, is because it is in the company of another law so barbarous in its make-up, thus showing the nature of the company Sunday laws of the past have always kept." (Review and Herald, Jan. 21, 1890, Vol.67, No. 3, p. 44)

"There is now, on the statute-books of this District, an old Maryland law which has never been repealed​​​​​, under which a person convicted of denying the Trinity, received the mark 'B' in his forehead [reading statute of date Oct. 26, 1723]." (Review and Herald, Feb.4, 1890, Vol.67, No. 5, p.74)

So what law on the statute books is in 'direct connection' to the Sunday rest law bill? The law that anyone who publicly denies the Trinity will be persecuted. And we know that according to Rome, Sunday is directly connected to their Trinity god ... "every Sunday is devoted to the honor of the Most Holy Trinity, that every Sunday is sanctified and consecrated to the triune God." "Question 1092. What is Sunday, or the Lord's Day in general? A. It is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honour of the most holy Trinity." (The Douay Catechism of 1649)

"It will also be noticed that this 'league' [The International Sunday Observance league] has other plans besides the intention to prosecute those who will not bow to their manmade Sabbath. Perhaps they will prosecute those who do not believe in the Trinity. Their, spiritual ancestors, the Puritans, considered the arrest and punishment of those who rejected this church dogma as something pleasing to the Deity ... The doctrine of the Trinity and the sacredness of Sunday are both orthodox plums of marvelous sweetness to the ministerial too." (Review and Herald, Nov.20, 1894, Vol.71, No. 46, p.740)

And what are all the churches uniting on today? THE TRINITY! So Rome is uniting all the churches on it's Trinity god ready for the mark to be enforced!

Now attached to the Sunday law bill in Ohio, we find the following exemption ... "The proviso of the Sunday law exempts those only who conscientiously observe the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath." (Arguments on the Breckingridge Sunday Bill). So the 7th day Sabbath keepers would be exempt. But those who deny the Trinity would be punished! Do you see the deception of Rome? Is this going to factor into the coming Sunday law? We will see. But the fact shows that this is not just about the Sunday law, as the Trinity god of Rome is closely connected to it.

"Now what more was ever required by the papacy, and all phases of the old order of things, than is thus brought within the meaning of the national Constitution by this decision? What more was ever required by the papacy itself than that "the Christian religion" should be the national religion; that the discipline of the Church should be maintained by the civil power; that the religious test oath should be applied to all; that the public should be taxed for the support of religion and religious worship; that there should be required a belief in the doctrine of the Trinity, and the ​​​inspiration of the "Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament;" that the guilt of 'blasphemy' should be visited upon everyone who should speak or act 'in contempt of the religion professed by almost the whole community;' and that everybody should be required by law to observe Sunday? Indeed, what more than this could be required or even desired by the most absolute religious despotism that could be imagined?" (A.T.Jones, Ecclesiastical Empire, pp. 837-838)

Remember, you can be a "Saturday keeper" and still be worshipping the beast by accepting the mark OR name, ORnumber of the beast. It is imperative that we stand on the truth of God's Word, and NOT follow the teachings of men. Let us be followers of Jesus Christ, not man!
 

7djengo7

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And what are all the churches uniting on today? THE TRINITY!

At least you admit, by your anti-Christ hatred of the Trinity, of Trinitarianism, that you belong to no church, as you have just stated that ALL churches unite on the Trinity. Since ALL churches unite on the Trinity, any non-Trinitarian, anti-Trinitarian body to which you belong is, by your own definition, not a church.
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
This is a very important for the Sabbath keepers.

The first thing that Sabbath keepers need to know is that the commandment to rest on the Sabbath (Ex.20:8-10) wasnan integral part of the Law of Moses. This is what Paul said about the law:

"or when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" (Ro.2:14-15).​


Gentiles were never given the law of Moses, which includes the commandment to rest on the Sabbath. So why do you rest on the Sabbath?
 

Pipiripi

Member
The first thing that Sabbath keepers need to know is that the commandment to rest on the Sabbath (Ex.20:8-10) wasnan integral part of the Law of Moses. This is what Paul said about the law:

"or when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" (Ro.2:14-15).​


Gentiles were never given the law of Moses, which includes the commandment to rest on the Sabbath. So why do you rest on the Sabbath?

The Sabbath rest was from the day of creation. The Seventh day. And if we cannot keep it now, then we cannot keep it in the New World. Isaiah 66:22-23
 

Pipiripi

Member
At least you admit, by your anti-Christ hatred of the Trinity, of Trinitarianism, that you belong to no church, as you have just stated that ALL churches unite on the Trinity. Since ALL churches unite on the Trinity, any non-Trinitarian, anti-Trinitarian body to which you belong is, by your own definition, not a church.

True Christians don't hate but love. If you love your Pope more then Jesus is okay. Because the Trinity is not in the Bible. There is 2 kind of churches. The Sabbath keepers (God) Revelation 12:17 14:12
Sunday keepers (Pope) Revelation 17.
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
The Sabbath rest was from the day of creation. The Seventh day. And if we cannot keep it now, then we cannot keep it in the New World. Isaiah 66:22-23

Do you begin your rest on the sixth day? That is the way it has always been observed. If you must do it then you must do it according to the Scriptures.

Otherwise, you are perverting the Sabbath day of rest.
 

Bob Carabbio

New member
This is a very important for the Sabbath keepers.

It always strikes me as SILLY to obsess about the FEAR that a governmental system, in this day and age, would give a Rosy Rodent's Posterior concerning WHAT DAY a minor collection of religious people decide visit their building.
 

Bradley D

Well-known member
The sabbath begins at nightfall on Friday and ends at nightfall on Saturday. It was meant to be a day of rest. Jesus said that God made the sabbath for man.

"Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

Jesus did things on the sabbath that the pharisees and Priests considered unlawful.

Many Chrisitans see Sunday as the sabbath because that is when the resurrection of Jesus tok place.
 

Pipiripi

Member
Do you begin your rest on the sixth day? That is the way it has always been observed. If you must do it then you must do it according to the Scriptures.

Otherwise, you are perverting the Sabbath day of rest.

The rest begin on Friday sun goes down till Saturday sun goes down. That is the true Sabbath rest.
 

Pipiripi

Member
The sabbath begins at nightfall on Friday and ends at nightfall on Saturday. It was meant to be a day of rest. Jesus said that God made the sabbath for man.

"Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

Jesus did things on the sabbath that the pharisees and Priests considered unlawful.

Many Chrisitans see Sunday as the sabbath because that is when the resurrection of Jesus tok place.

And we must alert them to stop listening to people and listen to God.
If God said REMEMBER my Sabbath and keep it Holy, we must do what God says. And let them see that it isn't us, but God Himself has spoken.
 

Bradley D

Well-known member
I am sure they are aware that the sabbath of the commandments was on Saturday. So how do you convince them to return.
 

genuineoriginal

New member
Do you begin your rest on the sixth day? That is the way it has always been observed. If you must do it then you must do it according to the Scriptures.

Otherwise, you are perverting the Sabbath day of rest.

If you are observing the Sabbath according to scriptures, you begin the rest at dawn on the seventh day and end the rest at nightfall on the seventh day, since only the light hours are called day (Genesis 1:5)
You also do no work at night, neither the night before nor the night after (John 9:4).
 

nikolai_42

Well-known member
The Sabbath rest was from the day of creation. The Seventh day. And if we cannot keep it now, then we cannot keep it in the New World. Isaiah 66:22-23

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Romans 14:5-10

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Colossians 2:8-17
 

Pipiripi

Member
Do you begin your rest on the sixth day? That is the way it has always been observed. If you must do it then you must do it according to the Scriptures.

Otherwise, you are perverting the Sabbath day of rest.
Yes, the rest begin by sun goes down Friday to sun goes down by Saturday. That is the Sabbath day.
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
Yes, the rest begin by sun goes down Friday to sun goes down by Saturday. That is the Sabbath day.

Yes, you are right. The Sabbath day begins by sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. That is the Sabbath day.

But Christians do not worship on the Sabbath. Christians worship on the Lord's Day, the Day Christ rose from the dead, the first day of the week.
 

Trump Gurl

Credo in Unum Deum
Seventh-day Adventism
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Most people know little about the Seventh-day Adventists beyond that they worship on Saturdays, not Sundays. But there’s more to this unique sect.

Adventist History

The Seventh-day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as "Adventists."

When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the "seventh-month movement," who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar).

When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White.

Miller had claimed, based on his interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, that Christ would return in 1843–44 to cleanse "the sanctuary" (Dan. 8:11–14, 9:26), which he interpreted as the earth. After the disappointments of 1844, several of his followers proposed an alternative theory. While walking in a cornfield on the morning of October 23, 1844, the day after Christ failed to return, Hiram Edson felt he received a spiritual revelation that indicated that Miller had misidentified the sanctuary. It was not the earth, but the Holy of Holies in God’s heavenly temple. Instead of coming out of the heavenly temple to cleanse the sanctuary of the earth, in 1844 Christ, for the first time, went into the heavenly Holy of Holies to cleanse it instead.

Another group of Millerites was influenced by Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain, who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting that Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath—Saturday—instead of worshipping on Sunday. This helped feed the intense anti-Catholicism of Seventh-day Adventism, since they blamed the Catholic Church for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the Seventh-day Adventist denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.

Today the denomination reports that it has 780,000 members in the United States and 7.8 million members elsewhere, many in Catholic countries.

Adventist Propaganda

White claimed to receive the first of several hundred visions in December of 1844. She gained recognition in Adventist circles as a prophetess and became the church’s leader. Over the next few decades, she provided guidance on almost every.aspect of belief and worship, writing over fifty books commenting on health, education, finance, and other topics. Her works are held by her followers to be inerrant on matters of doctrine, as is the Bible, though they are on a slightly lower plane of honor than the Bible.

Her most important books, especially The Desire of the Ages and The Great Controversy, are frequently reprinted by Seventh-day Adventist publishing houses in a variety of formats. They often appear with different covers and titles. For example, The Great Controversy is often marketed as America in Prophecy. They are printed whole or in excerpted form. Sometimes Ellen Gould White’s name appears on the cover, sometimes a less well-known form of her name appears (e.g., E. G. White), and sometimes her name does not appear on the outside of the book at all.

This allows Adventists to put White’s works in the hands of non-Adventists without alerting them that they are reading an Adventist publication until they are well into the work.

Adventist publishing houses also keep the terms "Seventh-day" and "Adventist" out of their names. Typical Adventist and Adventist-related publishing houses have names including Inspiration Books, Amazing Truth Publications, Review & Herald Publishing Association, and Pilgrims’ Press.

This is because Adventists have always been regarded suspiciously by Evangelicals and have often been viewed as a fanatical cult (as have some of their offshoots, such as the Branch Davidians). Many Evangelical leaders even have asserted—incorrectly—that Adventists are not Christians, even though they believe in Christ’s divinity and use a valid Trinitarian form of baptism.

Often Adventist-related publishing houses conduct mass mailings of their literature to every home and post office box in a community. This has been done regularly with Amazing Truth Publications’ anti-Catholic volume, National Sunday Law.

Adventist Beliefs

Seventh-day Adventists agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject "once saved, always saved").

Unfortunately, they also hold many false and strange doctrines. Among these are the following: (a) the Catholic Church is the Hore of Babylon; (b) the pope is the Antichrist; (c) in the last days, Sunday worship will be "the mark of the beast"; (d) there is a future millennium in which the devil will roam the earth while Christians are with Christ in heaven; (e) the soul sleeps between death and resurrection; and (f) on the last day, after a limited period of punishment in hell, the wicked will be annihilated and cease to exist rather than be eternally damned. (For rebuttals of many of these ideas, see the Catholic Answers tracts, The Antichrist, The Hell There Is, Hunting the Hore of Babylon, The Hore of Babylon, and Sabbath or Sunday?)

Many Adventists insist that, as a matter of discipline (not doctrine), one must not eat meats considered unclean under the Mosaic Law (many endorse total vegetarianism), and one must avoid "worldly entertainments" (card-playing, dancing, smoking, drinking, reading non-religious books, listening to non-religious music, watching non-religious television, going to the movies, etc.).

Adventists also subscribe to the two Protestant shibboleths, sola scriptura (the Bible is the sole rule of faith) and sola fide (justification is by faith alone). Other Protestants, especially conservative Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, often attack Adventists on these points, claiming they do not really hold them, which is often used as "proof" that they are "a cult." However, along the spectrum of Protestantism (from high-church Lutherans and Anglicans to low-church Pentecostals and Baptists), there is little agreement about the meaning of these two phrases or about the doctrines they are supposed to represent.

Adventist Anti-Catholicism

As is clear from some of the beliefs listed above, Adventist theology is intensely anti-Catholic. Many Catholics who do not frequently come in contact with Adventists or their literature do not realize just how hostile they can be toward the Church.

Trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, Catholics may suppose that anti-Catholicism is part of Adventism’s radical fringe. Unfortunately, this is untrue. Adventists who are moderate on Catholicism are a minority. Anti-Catholicism characterizes the denomination because it is embraced in White’s "divinely inspired" writings. A few illustrations help indicate the scope of the problem:

"Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots . . . is further declared to be ‘that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.’ Revelation 17:4–6, 18. The power that for so many centuries maintained despotic sway over the monarchs of Christendom is Rome. The purple and scarlet color, the gold and precious stones and pearls, vividly picture the magnificence and more than kingly pomp affected by the haughty see of Rome" (The Great Controversy, 338).

"It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal Church of Christ . . . and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him [Satan] through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage" (ibid., 48).

"Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false Sabbath. . . . And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And has she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries. . . . Rome is aiming to reestablish her power, to recover her lost supremacy" (ibid., 507–8).

"God’s word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare. She is silently growing into power. Her doctrines are exerting their influence in legislative halls, in the churches, and in the hearts of men. She is piling up her lofty and massive structures, in the secret recesses of which her former persecutions will be1 repeated. Stealthily and unsuspectedly she is strengthening her forces to further her own ends when the time shall come for her to strike. All that she desires is vantage ground, and this is already being given her. We shall soon see and shall feel what the purpose of the Roman element is. Whoever believe and obey the word of God will thereby incur reproach and persecution" ( ibid., 508–9).

Strong stuff! Unfortunately, most Adventists believe this. Bear in mind that these quotes are not taken from an obscure work of White’s that nobody ever reads. They are from what is probably her single most popular volume, The Great Controversy.

Adventist Eschatology

Seventh-day Adventism is basically consumed with the concept of the last days. It was formed from the remnants of the Millerite movement, which was created to await the world’s end. In White’s end times view, the Jewish Sabbath and the Catholic Church play prominent roles.

According to her, the papacy is the seven-headed beast from the sea in Revelation 13:1–10. Accompanying this beast is a lamb-like beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11–18). The latter causes the world to worship the former and has an image made of it. White proclaimed that the second beast is the United States (The Great Controversy, 387–8), and that it will force people to worship the papacy by "enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy" (ibid., 389). This observance, she says, is Sunday worship rather than Saturday worship.

White claims that the papacy changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, making this change a mark of its authority. In her view, there will come a time when the United States will establish a "national Sunday law" and compel its citizens to worship on Sunday and thus take the mark of the beast. It will not compel them to become Catholics, but to join a Protestant state-church that is an "image" of the papacy, and thus, "the image of the beast" (ibid., 382–96).

Seventh-day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the hore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism.

There is a "moderate" wing of Adventism that is more open to Catholics as individuals (though still retaining White’s views concerning the papacy). In fact, White was willing to concede that—in the here and now (before the end times)—some Catholics are saved. She wrote that "there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. God accepts their sincerity of purpose and their integrity before him. But when Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than Rome, will thereby honor popery above God" (ibid., 395).

Unfortunately, this one tolerant statement is embedded in hundreds of hostile statements. While this.aspect of her teaching can be played up by her more moderate followers, it is difficult for them to do so, because the whole Adventist milieu in which they exist is anti-Catholic. The group is an eschatology sect, and its central eschatological teaching, other than Christ’s Second Coming, is that the Second Coming will be preceded by a period in which the papacy will enforce Sunday worship on the world. Everyone who does not accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be killed; and everyone who does accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be destroyed by God.

By virtue of their valid baptism, and their belief in Christ’s divinity and in the doctrine of the Trinity, Seventh-day Adventists are both ontologically and theologically Christians. But Christians, once separated from the Church our Lord founded, are susceptible to being "tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine" (Eph. 4:14).
 

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Body part
Christians, those in the body of Christ, have no holy days. Every day is holy to us.
Col 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
ARE a shadow of things TO COME.
 
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