First off, if you read you will see sixth hour and third hour true, but why not see third hour, sixth hour, etc... in the same day?
Entirely possible for the sixth hour to follow the third.
ECT the Sixth Hour in John 19:14.
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Entirely possible for the sixth hour to follow the third.
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then Jesus was crucified at the 3hour at the Golgotha
same day at the 6th hour he was back at the Gabatha bein on trial by Pilate. but since Jesus is omnipresent, at that same hour he was at the croos in the Golgotha and a darkness hapened.
In the following hours (afternoon) while the daarkness, Jesus is sent to the Golgotha in a warp hole, traveing back 3 hours in time.
definetly a miracle only possible by Jesus
You laugh, but you may simply be not accepting what is there in the texts. You may have come to a false conclusion about the accounts, by looking at the hours and saying what you believe to be impossible rather than what would be possible.
Why conclude that the accounts when viewed side by side, need another day that is not mentioned by any of the accounts?
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The text states that the Sabbath that year was an high day, the feast of unleavened bread, which is the Passover... Christ was prepared AS the Passover Lamb the day of preparation the day before the Sabbath which began the Feast.
Literally, the text states: "THAT Sabbath was an High Day"... A Sabbath can be no other day that the 7th day, eg Saturday...
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What all that has to do with the FACT that Jesus was at Pilate at noon and crucified following 9am?????
Something was at the third hour and something at the sixth hour.
Arsenios
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The more I look at this the more I incline toward the view that the crucifixion took time to do... Scourging being a part of it... The 3rd to the 6th hour being about the time needed... And that He was lifted up at the 6th hour, having been crucified for three hours prior to being lifted up... eg Crucifixion takes 3 hours to the point of being lifted up upon the cross...
That is my take to this point... It has the benefit of accounting for the time discrepancy you love to embrace... Even if it only took 2 hours, 9:30AM to 11:30AM, it would still be close enough for the times mentioned from condemnation to elevation...
I have not yet found Patristic commentary on the times indicated...
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Jesus was at Pilate at the sixth hour which is 12 noon
after that, pilate present Jesus to the Jew to choose beteewn him and Barrabas,
Pilate sentence Jesus,
Jesus is wiped by the romans,
Jesus depart to the Golgotha with difficulties to carry the patibulus,
and is crucified.
Jesus is already at the cross by the thrid hour which is 9 am. (acording to Arsenios, the crucifixión took 3 hours, meaning it started by 6am)
after that, pilate present Jesus to the Jew to choose beteewn him and Barrabas,
Pilate sentence Jesus,
Jesus is wiped by the romans,
Jesus depart to the Golgotha with difficulties to carry the patibulus,
and is crucified.
Jesus is already at the cross by the thrid hour which is 9 am. (acording to Arsenios, the crucifixión took 3 hours, meaning it started by 6am)
Why do you believe He was at the cross again?
Arsenios
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Well, I can see it was better for you than for me...
Is this, like, your emotional reward for this discussion??
I pray not...
Arsenios
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Jesus was at Pilate at the sixth hour which is 12 noon
after that, pilate present Jesus to the Jew to choose beteewn him and Barrabas,
Pilate sentence Jesus,
Jesus is wiped by the romans,
Jesus depart to the Golgotha with difficulties to carry the patibulus,
and is crucified.
Jesus is already at the cross by the thrid hour which is 9 am. (acording to Arsenios, the crucifixión took 3 hours, meaning it started by 6am)
after that, pilate present Jesus to the Jew to choose beteewn him and Barrabas,
Pilate sentence Jesus,
Jesus is wiped by the romans,
Jesus depart to the Golgotha with difficulties to carry the patibulus,
and is crucified.
Jesus is already at the cross by the thrid hour which is 9 am. (acording to Arsenios, the crucifixión took 3 hours, meaning it started by 6am)
Arsenios
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Would you please document each of these statements with the appropriate text from Matthew? Without that, there is no discussion, but only voicing of opinions...
Arsenios
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Not true...
From the condemnation to the being raised up on the cross, 2-3 hours maybe... And maybe not... There is a time issue where He is crucified the 3rd and the 6th hour, and the proposal was to bridge that gap...
Why are you so hostile?
Arsenios
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For Arsenions, the crucifixión took a total of 3 hours.
For Mark, Jesús was already at the cross by 9am
24 And they crucified him, and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. 25 And it was the third hour, when they crucified him.
If the crucifixition took 3 hours, it must started by 6am.
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This thread is about Jon 19:14 where we read that Jesús was at Pilate by noon.
Do you denay that Jesús was crucified following 9am?
Arsenios
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Can you read this passage in Greek?
John 19:14 ? The text indicates that He was crucified prior yet near to the 6th hour, which is High Noon... Which places it between the 3rd and the 6th by definition...
Can you read Greek?
Arsenios
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Preparing a crucifixion takes some time, and this time was between the 3rd and the 6th hours... From condemnation to nails... He had to be scourged, the crown of thorns had to be made, the cross had to be constructed, the sign had to be made naming His 'crime'...
The text states that this all began sometime during the 3rd hour, and that the sun darkened when He was raised up upon the cross by the 6th hour...
Why are you so hostile? What are you mad about?
Arsenios
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NO. That is a lie. It says that at noon Jesús was not yet sentenced.